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Re: As expected - NCT fail

Postby StewyD32 » Tue Jul 27, 2010 9:50 pm

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Re: As expected - NCT fail

Postby TopCat » Tue Jul 27, 2010 11:44 pm

Nice one, glad you got there in the end. :)
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Re: As expected - NCT fail

Postby optical illusion » Thu May 17, 2012 10:17 pm

Joyous. Epic fail again.

Low idle:

CO 1.15 vol % - FAIL (above 0.5)
HC 329ppm - PASS (above 0)

High idle:

Lambda: 0.93 - FAIL (between 0.97 and 1.03)
CO 2.69 vol % - FAIL (above 0.3)
HC 141ppm - FAIL (above 200)

Dear sweet jesus, over E330 for a lambda from Camskill. Paul Nolan has suggested that it's prob the lambda alright. Have a universal fitted, I don't suppose it would be the CTS again as that's what changed the figures enough to pass it last time (let me refresh your memory - original exhaust, cat and lambda, THEN: new exhaust, cat and universal lambda - EXACT same reading, all the latter plus new CTS - passed)

My revometer needle is going up and down the odd time (not affecting the engine), I don't suppose that's anything to do with it?

Some people have mentioned this to me: http://spark-plugs.co.uk/index.php/prod ... s/DOX-0109

I'd have to get a direct fit though, heard too many people saying to keep away from the universals... Has anyone any experience with these?
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Re: As expected - NCT fail

Postby Kace » Thu May 17, 2012 10:40 pm

That one looks good. A €20 unit off eBay worked just fine for me a few years ago.
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Re: As expected - NCT fail

Postby optical illusion » Thu May 17, 2012 10:41 pm

Doesn't work for me with those readings, mine was got on ebay too.
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Re: As expected - NCT fail

Postby Gerry » Thu May 17, 2012 10:52 pm

Was there any errors stored in ecu?
I had an issue where there was a fault code present but it did not cause my check engine light to stay on when running.
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Re: As expected - NCT fail

Postby Kace » Sat May 19, 2012 12:42 am

optical illusion wrote:Doesn't work for me with those readings, mine was got on ebay too.


Hmm I'm stumped - let us know if anything comes up on the blink test then.
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Re: As expected - NCT fail

Postby CJ » Sat May 19, 2012 1:07 pm

optical illusion wrote:My revometer needle is going up and down the odd time (not affecting the engine), I don't suppose that's anything to do with it?


Sounds like ignition failure sensor. When you get voltage drops across the coils, theres a possibility that ignition will be erratic which may cause unburnt fuel to be dumped into the cat (and thus shortening its life) which will in turn increase emissions. Hows your fuel economy these days?
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Re: As expected - NCT fail

Postby optical illusion » Tue May 22, 2012 8:44 pm

Waiting to get the car back to run diagnostics. The rev needle going up and down is only recent enough. Fuel economy is pretty much the same, according to fuelly not far from 30mpg. I can get near to 500kms out of a tank.
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Re: As expected - NCT fail

Postby Jokke » Thu May 24, 2012 1:31 am

For too high CO emissions check the following list (in order):
1) Air intake and vacuum system for blockages
2) Fuel pressure (and regulator)
3) Lambda sensor (Pain to troubleshoot.)
4) CTS (run engine to normal warmth around 80C, turn off engine but put ignition power on and check the voltage. You should get 0,3-0,9 volts between ecu pins 63 & 72 when pin 72 should be ground 0v)
5) Injectors (If you have nerves to go through them it might be that there is some "peeing" instead of giving nice smooth squirt. Easiest is to get some decent garage to check them for you.)
6) Exhaust/cat
7) ECU (cabling, connectors, ECU)

Also what oils are you using in that? As discussed on the technical side too slim and you're burning oil ... this is really good way to kick your emissions up.
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Re: As expected - NCT fail

Postby CJ » Mon May 28, 2012 12:08 pm

Jokke wrote:As discussed on the technical side too slim and you're burning oil ... this is really good way to kick your emissions up.


I don't get why this would be the case, please explain your reasoning.
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Re: As expected - NCT fail

Postby goz_83 » Mon May 28, 2012 1:37 pm

I would have thought:

Too thin and metal grinds, causing damage and eventual engine seizure/death, or a massive explosion killing all the engine elves inside.
Too thick and the oil clots and stick to engine parts. You wont hear the tappets, because they would just stop moving in the thick oily mucus, resembling the lungs of a 70 year old smoker.
Just the right thickness and we all drive happily ever after, with fewer dead cars on the bed post. I too don't see extra emissions having a connection here, but my knowledge on oil is limited, so I would love to learn more. Until then, I will just stick with what the oilman recommends. Maybe he will put in his 2 cents?
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Re: As expected - NCT fail

Postby optical illusion » Mon May 28, 2012 9:21 pm

This car has me bloody withered with emissions.

Just ran diagnostics, and the ABS light is showing TPS fault. From reading old threads here there is no way in hell that I'm forking out 200 euro for one when it may not be the issue.

Would this work on a Vr? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1995-Mitsubis ... 19d0b52bba

It's so bloody annoying, looks like I will have to fork out for a new lambda and that might not even be the problem.

Oh and I'm running 10w40 Motul as recommended by most and oilman, not that that's the issue anyway.

Also - those lambdas I listed above can't be bought as direct fit.
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Re: As expected - NCT fail

Postby Gerry » Mon May 28, 2012 11:05 pm

ABS light only shows errors in relation to ABS system.

I had an emission problem a couple of months back and when i did the diagnostic, the check engine light revealed code 62.
Which turned out to be an air intake sensor.

Ive had abs issues in the past and know from experience that this only reveals abs related issues.
There are ecu relation codes which relate to engine = check engine light
abs which relates to ABS system
Gearbox errors that flash tru N light that are only relative to autobox
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Re: As expected - NCT fail

Postby Gerry » Mon May 28, 2012 11:10 pm

Below are some of the codes in relation to engine which correspond to check engine light:


11 Oxygen Sensor
12 Air Flow Sensor
13 Intake air temperature sensor
14 Throttle position sensor <-------TPS Sensor
15 ISC Motor Position Sensor
21 Engine coolant temperature sensor
22 Crank angle sensor
23 Camshaft position sensor
24 Vehicle speed sensor
25 BARO Sensor (listed as 26 in one info source)
31 Detonation sensor
32 Vacuum sensor
36 Ignition Timing Adjustment Signal
39 Oxygen Sensor
41 Injector system
42 Fuel Pump
43 EGR
44 Ignition coil and power transistor unit (Cylinder 1 & 4)
52 Ignition coil and power transistor unit (Cylinder 2 & 5)
53 Ignition coil and power transistor unit (Cylinder 3 & 6)
55 Idle Air Control Valve/Servo Valve Position Sensor
61 Communications wire with A/T-ECU
62 Intake air control valve position sensor
64 Alternator FR terminal
71 Vacuum control solenoid valve (TCL)
72 Ventilation control solenoid valve (TCL)
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Re: As expected - NCT fail

Postby optical illusion » Tue May 29, 2012 10:36 am

Engine check light is just flashing continuously.

From reading some older threads I think Kace or Mustang had the ABS light flash codes for them as well. I think they said it only happens in cars that have ABS - that it switches over to that light instead?

Ran diagnostics few years ago and nothing showed on ABS light.

Haven't had any problems with the ABS, the brake line broke recently and all 4 were replaced with OEM lines Sunday evening.

Are there diagnostic codes for ABS system?
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Re: As expected - NCT fail

Postby optical illusion » Tue May 29, 2012 12:09 pm

Can someone copy and paste this up here or let me know what 14 means:

Hi there,

if your ABS light stays on there is a problem somewhere but you can get the error codes for it from here http://www.ftooc.org/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=31351 and it tells you how to extract the codes and what they mean.

HTH

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From looking at other mitsubishi forums (pajeros , carisma etc) it would appear 14 means 'open circuit in rear left wheel speed sensor' which apparently could be from dirt or rust.

Don't ask me where that is - I suppose it's the least of my worries anyway for NCT.
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Re: As expected - NCT fail

Postby Kace » Tue May 29, 2012 1:18 pm

optical illusion wrote:Engine check light is just flashing continuously.

From reading some older threads I think Kace or Mustang had the ABS light flash codes for them as well. I think they said it only happens in cars that have ABS - that it switches over to that light instead?

Ran diagnostics few years ago and nothing showed on ABS light.

Haven't had any problems with the ABS, the brake line broke recently and all 4 were replaced with OEM lines Sunday evening.

Are there diagnostic codes for ABS system?


But you don't have any codes coming up on the Engine light - correct ? That means that everything else is behaving as expected (no help at all to you)

Are you actually getting flashing codes on the ABS light - is that what you're saying ? If so, somone out there will know what they mean. FTOAustralia and FTOOC I'm sure.
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Re: As expected - NCT fail

Postby optical illusion » Tue May 29, 2012 2:18 pm

Yep, ABS light Kace, not engine check light.

I'm assuming ABS has nothing to do with the ECU/engine anyway.
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Re: As expected - NCT fail

Postby CJ » Tue May 29, 2012 2:20 pm

ABS codes (and similar discussion) here:

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10827
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Re: As expected - NCT fail

Postby optical illusion » Tue May 29, 2012 9:55 pm

Multimeter has ruled out TPS anyway...
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Re: As expected - NCT fail

Postby optical illusion » Wed May 30, 2012 6:58 pm

350 on a lambda today. Sickened. I tell you, it better fcuking pass.
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Re: As expected - NCT fail

Postby Gerry » Wed May 30, 2012 7:13 pm

Hi Laura,

Are ya sure that it is the lambda?
seems a lot of money to splash out on a hunch?

Ive had these emissons problems in the past.
And in all cases it was either, lambda, ect sensor, cat, or air flow or maf sensor.
If you have no definitive errors found to isolate the failing component, would you not be better off swapping out the above components in turn one at a time untill the faulty component is found?
All that you have to be sure of is that the above components are known to be good.
If ya could get somebody that has been recently thru the test, that has passed.
Lambda can be swapped out in a few mins, as to ect, as can maf.
You could replace these in turn get somebody who has an emission tester to test.
if the lamda, ect and maf replaced in turn still result in same fail more than likely it is your cat.
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Re: As expected - NCT fail

Postby optical illusion » Wed May 30, 2012 9:13 pm

Gerry wrote:Hi Laura,

Are ya sure that it is the lambda?
seems a lot of money to splash out on a hunch?

Ive had these emissons problems in the past.
And in all cases it was either, lambda, ect sensor, cat, or air flow or maf sensor.
If you have no definitive errors found to isolate the failing component, would you not be better off swapping out the above components in turn one at a time untill the faulty component is found?
All that you have to be sure of is that the above components are known to be good.
If ya could get somebody that has been recently thru the test, that has passed.
Lambda can be swapped out in a few mins, as to ect, as can maf.
You could replace these in turn get somebody who has an emission tester to test.
if the lamda, ect and maf replaced in turn still result in same fail more than likely it is your cat.


I'm not Gerry but I'm sick of living in fear every year come NCT time.

I don't know anyone that would have good pieces that I can take from their car and swap around. All emission tests in Limerick are 80 euro upwards. Or drive to Dublin to Paul and spend a load on petrol. Everyone is suggesting lambda including Paul. Cat is brand new, fitted 2 years ago.

Camskill are saying it could be the air intake sensor. Either way the crap universal one will have to replaced at some stage.

I'm driving it into wall soon if it doesn't pass.
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Re: As expected - NCT fail

Postby optical illusion » Thu Jun 14, 2012 11:14 pm

Low idle:

CO 0.09 vol % - PASS ( FAIL above 0.5)
HC 91ppm - PASS

High idle:

Lambda: 1.00 - PASS (between 0.97 and 1.03)
CO 0.30 vol % - PASS (FAIL above 0.3)
HC 58ppm - PASS (FAIL above 200)

BINGO! E350 Lambda hunch paid off!
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