Upgraded mivec cams?

[breno58]

Just wondering if anyone knows of any places that do upgraded cams for a gpx mivec?
I know rpw do them but there prices are insane

[Uncle B]

I think Dan got some but they were from RPW, so I doubt there's any better/cheaper alternative

[breno58]

I may have a chat with him next time i see him so and find out what the story is

[Spetz]

Can you post your findings here Breno.
Also, like I mentioned get them custom made

[breno58]

Can you post your findings here Breno.
Also, like I mentioned get them custom made

As soon as i find any info on them ill be sure to let you know

[Spetz]

Thanks

Can I ask why you are so hesitant to get custom made ones?

[CJ]

From my perspective, theres little value in fitting reprofiled cams outside of a turbo application. If you know someone who can undertake this work at the right price point then great, if not, spend your hard earned cash on more effective mods.

[Myfeckin FTO]

From my perspective, theres little value in fitting reprofiled cams outside of a turbo application. If you know someone who can undertake this work at the right price point then great, if not, spend your hard earned cash on more effective mods.

+1 - We've been down this road before with these type of discussions - spending massive bucks on cams, aftermarket ECU (you're going to have to map it surely?) for what? - 10-15bhp max? Makes even less sense these days when FTO values are so low. It even made no sense when FTO values were circa 8-10K.

If you want a quicker FTO then spend the money on improving your suspension/ upgrading your brakes / loosing weight from FTO. 1k spent on suspension/brakes/air con removal etc would make an FTO massively quicker around somewhere like Mondello than 2k spent on cams,ECU,mapping etc

If its more about sound then a decat exhaust and induction kit is all the FTO needs.

[breno58]

Thanks

Can I ask why you are so hesitant to get custom made ones?

I want to just buy cams and them put in rather than take the stock ones out and send them off and be left waiting god knows how long to get them back

[breno58]

From my perspective, theres little value in fitting reprofiled cams outside of a turbo application. If you know someone who can undertake this work at the right price point then great, if not, spend your hard earned cash on more effective mods.

+1 - We've been down this road before with these type of discussions - spending massive bucks on cams, aftermarket ECU (you're going to have to map it surely?) for what? - 10-15bhp max? Makes even less sense these days when FTO values are so low. It even made no sense when FTO values were circa 8-10K.

If you want a quicker FTO then spend the money on improving your suspension/ upgrading your brakes / loosing weight from FTO. 1k spent on suspension/brakes/air con removal etc would make an FTO massively quicker around somewhere like Mondello than 2k spent on cams,ECU,mapping etc

If its more about sound then a decat exhaust and induction kit is all the FTO needs.

Well ill have the fto engine in my mirage so it will be quite a bit lighter than an fto to start and ill be removing the air con so no real need to lose too much weight, as for breaks/suspension ill be fitting grooved discs & good pads along with the twinpots and i already have coilovers so will get some strut bars and uprated arbs & bushes to finish off the suspension but still id like a more powerfull engine as this car will be mainly for drag/track use.

[d_dan]

I haven't got my hands on new camshafts just yet but are something I would like to do.
Kent Cam's give the best value at reprofiling camshafts in the UK by far.

I got vernier camgears at the start because I wanted to retard the timing ti reduce the valve overlap.

If you are getting ANYTHING from RPW remember first off your going to be hit with 23%vat on whatever your getting. (RPW will want your original camgears/ shafts to do the work on) Also you want to make 110% what your getting because its gonna cost your a small fortune to return anything and your going to loose out on the vat you payed

[breno58]

Its starting to sound like rpw cams are not the best idea so if i could get decent ones made closer to home id probably go that route

[d_dan]

What are looking to do?
Your going to have to buy blank shafts if you want higher lift and its gonna be very expensive

[breno58]

I want to squeeze as much power from engine as i can,
Do you know how much kent cams would charge?

[d_dan]

40-50 a lobe

[Spetz]

Why not buy some stock cams (or heads) and use them as the base for copies if you want to avoid down time. I have seen heads go for as little as 90GBP, and you can use them to port/polish etc.

How much would a place in the UK charge to make up new billet cams?

[breno58]

Why not buy some stock cams (or heads) and use them as the base for copies if you want to avoid down time. I have seen heads go for as little as 90GBP, and you can use them to port/polish etc.

How much would a place in the UK charge to make up new billet cams?

Not a bad idea but i heard to make new billet cams would cost near enough the same as rpw charge but i shall double check that.

Im toying with the idea of ITBs so would kinda be best to upgrade the cams to get the most from them.

[Spetz]

I looked into the ITB idea and as nice as it sounds I think it is more trouble than it's worth. It will cost way too much and may never run right. They offer impressive gains though.

The cams should not cost anyway near as much as RPW charges. I got a quote for $1,700AUD for custom cams from the same company that makes the RPW ones, and at the time their price was $2,500.
I think UK has cheaper car parts/labor, and with the strong Aussie dollar and somewhat weak British Pound, + shipping + taxes you should be able to get customs for half the price.

You have to ask some reputable cam makers in the UK. Don't forget you'd need valve springs too.

[breno58]

It really seems like getting any decent power while staying NA is going to cost a fortune id nearly be better just to slap a nice big turbo on it or install NOS

[Dragonheart]

Thats always been the way and has been discussed numerous times. Mivec engines are tuned by Mitsubishi, same as V-tec engines are tuned by Honda, to get the most out of them. If their engineers can't get extra out of them then its unlikely that anyone else will without dramatically changing the engine or adding something like turbo or supercharger to it.

[breno58]

Well in fairness vtec engines are well capable of producing a lot more power with work and performance parts are much easier got than for mivecs,

But you would think with a big 2L 24v V6 DOHC engine that it would be easy enough to squeeze more power from it but i guess not,

Looks like forced induction is the way to go.

[goz_83]

How does one go about gettin the fto fitted for nos?

[StewyD32]

I think icetronix in rathcoole does it.
You just going to blow the car if you get it . I would be very weary about nos

[goz_83]

Don't push the red button.

[Spetz]

I think the 6A12 is a decent motor and reacts just as well to mods as VTEC motors.
The problem is is costs more money for the same parts