Quick specs question - Sports Package

[colm_mcm]

Did the Sports package (on GX and GR models) just consist of a rear spoiler and alloys?
Or was climate control part of the Sports Package?

Has anyone seen a GR without the Sports Package?

Was this package available on the GS too? Masa's car has alloys spoiler and climate control. none of which are standard on a GS.

Also, Aero Series. Is this just the addition of side skirts to a GX or GPVR? does the spoiler get changed too?

[Masa]

dunno

but according to this site :http://www.j-garage.com/mitsubishi/fto/de3a.htm

The climate control for a GS is stock, but neither the spoiler nor the alloys are.

There were probably options that you can huy the car with or without.

[Bernard]

There's some brochures here that might help...

[Sebastian]

colm see this ( might help)
http://www.fto-ireland.com/forum/phpBB2 ... ht=package

[colm_mcm]

I'm not convinced on the MOMO wheel and leather gearknob bit for some reason.
would love to see the original brochures, and understand them!

[Masa]

this one's scanning quality is quite bad, almost impossible to read
http://www.mitsubishi-fto.org/info/1994 ... ochure.pdf

But from what I've seen with it, on the GS the rear spoiler and alloys where availables as options and the climate control seems stock.
So no sport package for the GS ^^

[colm_mcm]

Cheers Masa, from the specs generally available on the net, you'd think that manual aircon, as in the GPvR was the norm on the GS.

[TopCat]

Yeah, not sure what is standard on my GS, but it does have climate control and the rear spoiler.
Not sure about the alloys and leather gear knob, they're after-market, but the steering wheels isn't momo.
Not sure if that clears up anything?

[CJ]

Its rare that you'll see a totally standard FTO in terms of options etc but I've come across GRs with no spoliers on steel rims but never without climate control (standard right across the range apart from the GP and GPvR).

CJ

[colm_mcm]

OK, that clears that much up! I knew all GR's had climate, just wasn't sure about the GS.

I presume the MOMO wheel was an option on all models as opposed to being part of a package?

CJ, when you say GP and GRvR, I thought there was only the GPvR and GPvR Aero Series?

[Sebastian]

is there a GP version ?

[colm_mcm]

not according to the 1997 brochure anyway. interestingly there was a GR facelift as well as the GX.

also interestingly (?) facelift GS models didn't have climate control as standard neither did the facelift GR (anyone ever seen one of these?).

this is from the brochure:


so that would mean that all pre-facelift FTOs have climate control...

[CJ]

There was definetely a GP model in 95/96, I came across one in the flesh a few years ago - basically a cut down GPX (steel rims, manual aircon etc)

CJ

[colm_mcm]

ooh, here's a 94 GP for sale:
http://msn.autotrader.co.nz/View/Used/M ... 8379A28209



this one is well specced, with climate, side skirts and a spoiler though, but no alloys or MIVEC stickers.


myfto.co.uk lists a GPvR as one of the prefacelift models. I've never heard of one. surely a mistake.

Was the GP like an olden day GPVR?

[Sebastian]

ABS ? i guess that was optional !?

[colm_mcm]

ABS ? i guess that was optional !?

yup, it was.

[Sebastian]

There was definetely a GP model in 95/96, I came across one in the flesh a few years ago - basically a cut down GPX (steel rims, manual aircon etc)

CJ

there is one for sale now in UK

http://www.ftooc.org/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=90046

[colm_mcm]

Ok an update from a GP owner:


Hi Colm

The GP model was a limited run to celebrate 1000 (i think) FTO's having been built. The numbers of GP's built vary from source to source so I am not certain how many it is. When I first bought the car 3 years ago I knew little about the GP model so researched it a little myself.

If is a mix of the GR and GPX basically. It has the Mivec engine but doesn't have central locking, elec folding mirrors, ABS, climate control (has manual air con). The reason was to save weight. I dunno what the difference was in price when it was sold in Japan. Not sure of the colours available but I have heard of 2 Icelle blue ones and a black one. I've not seen another Moonlight blue in this country.

As far as I know they are all the pre-facelift shape but I've seen the reg's of them vary by 2-3 yrs - not sure why that is.

Lou

[Myfeckin FTO]

Ok an update from a GP owner:


...........If is a mix of the GR and GPX basically. It has the Mivec engine but doesn't have central locking, elec folding mirrors, ABS, climate control (has manual air con). The reason was to save weight. ..........

So all the crap you don't need in an FTO then - sounds like the model to get. The predecessor to the GPvR.

My last FTO was like a different car with the climate control ripped out plus various other weight saving measures. 100kg saving = an extra 15bhp per ton.

[colm_mcm]

don't see how having manual aircon as opposed to climate controlled aircon will make that much of a performance difference.

you're only really talking the weight of 3 small motors AFAIK.

[Bernard]

central locking, elec folding mirrors, ABS


All useful IMO.

[Sebastian]

i love those folding mirrors , the central locking , the climate control and i'd love to have ABS as well.
i guess i love the fto not for beeing a track/superperformance car but for been' a sexy confy machine that that you can rely on when overtaking and does good mpg .

GP or GPVR deffo not the model for me

[Myfeckin FTO]

central locking, elec folding mirrors, ABS


All useful IMO.

Depends on your piorities really.
If I wanted a comfortable GT car then I wouldn't choose an FTO. IMHO at this stage of its life cycle - the less equipment that can go wrong the better - and the less weight - the purer the driving experience.

Hence when I owned my last FTO I removed the climate control including cooling fan and brackets (less engine load to boot) and also removed spare, tools, rear seats and various other smaller pieces (heat sheilding, unneccessary brackets etc) and together with a lighter exhaust and rims contributed to the best part of 100kgs weight loss from the FTO. Upgrade suspension and brakes and you'll have a car that even my present Zed doesn't come near for a pure driving experience and was very nearly as quick with substantially less power.

Modern Cars (like my Zed) are totally overburdened with safety (8 airbags, Stability control, ABS, traction, EBD, extensive crash protection and crumple zones etc) and unnessessary extra equipment (heated electric leather seats (v v heavy), climate control, massive ICE, Sat Nav etc etc leading to the modern sports coupe being 300kgs heavier than the FTO and totally dilluting the feel of a sports car.

I'm not saying that cars like the Zed etc are not good sports cars - but I do feel that modern manufacturers have lost sight of what makes a good sports coupe. For those of you that wonder if a Zeds performance is worth an extra 20-30K over an FTO - then the simple answer is it most certainly is not.

I look forward to the day where I can strip a Zed down to 1200kgs and enjoy the subsequent thrills. The only thing thats stopping me is the loss of potential value of my car - no such problem with the FTO.

[Bernard]

I find the FTO quick and nimble enough with my toys left in place...that's just me though