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Performance tuning of the FTO

Postby witcher » Thu Sep 09, 2010 11:33 pm

My little elaboration in the topic petrol vs bio ethanol made me think (again) about the options for performance tuning of the FTO.

Generally speaking FTO is not easy or popular car to be tuned, there are not many off the shelf performance parts, moreover only MIVEC powered car owners have decent power form their engines. So what can be done to improve performance of the FTO.

The unfortunate reality is that there is no cheap way to get more power out of N/A engine, but fortunately performance tuning is not only about extracting more power.

I was thinking of ways to make the FTO perform better, and the cheaper way to do it is to put the car on serious diet, but then again it will impair the comfort of the driving, unless you go for the carbon diet and then again it is very expensive. Vicious circle really.

One cheap way of improving performance is to reduce unsprung weight, meaning lightweight wheels, not so expensive, but effective mod.

Another relatively cheap and effective mod is to swap the flywheel for lighter model, it will not increase the power, but will allow the engine to rev higher and quicker.

Custom mapped ECU is always good, the power gains are not as impressive as in case of turbocharged engines, but it will allow for getting maximum out of your current set up. From what I know (I am not expert in this field, but some of my friends are, anyway it is the second hand opinion which shall be treated with pinch of salt) in case of N/A engines you will usually not increase top BPH by much, but there are considerable gains in mid rev range, anyway much depends on the skills and style of the mapper. Nevertheless mapping ECU is good value for money mod. Just bear in mind that any modification of your engine will require custom maps, so it is best to first modify everything on your mod list and then have your car mapped.

As for increasing fueling system, tuning the car (engine as well) is about the balance. you can increase the fueling, and get more fuel into engine, but if you won't get more air into engine at the same time, it will not do you much good either. And even when you get more air and fuel into engine, but have restrictive exhaust it will do you no good.

Porting and polishing the head is a good base for any further mods for the engine (see engine = pump), but true, it is not a cheap option, and requires specialized knowledge and equipment, not something of DIY type job. But done well and it is the bedrock for further tuning. if you are serious about tuning your engine this shall be first money spend, and the gains are quite good.

From this moment you can install wilder cams, high lift valves, double valve springs to let your engine rev higher, install individual throttle bodies (suitable for the engine) etc etc.

The reality however is that no matter what you do if you want to stay N/A you will not have huge power gains, and for the price of half of the abovementioned upgrades you can do engine swap (evo engine or galant) and have immediately more power with potential for huge power gains much easily (and cheaply) available that all you can do to your N/A engine.

Supercharging and turbocharging the engine increases its volumetric efficiency. in case of N/A engines the volumetric efficiency rarely reaches 70%. while when charged it can easily be 150%. but any kind of charging increase strain and unless you run low boost, the internals need to be swapped for stronger (forged). then there is a question how much power can gearbox and driveshaft handle, not to mention that you need to install intercooler, probably the only modification that increases power and reduce engine stress due to lowering charge temperature, we are talking 1000 euros here.

Every now and then (usually couple of times a day :) ) I am thinking of my FTO flying through the corners and rocketing down the straights. Usually my conclusion is that the most effective and cheapest in long run option is to swap the engine for one from EVO (preferably together with the whole 4wd drive).

What do you folks do to improve performance? What mods work, defo do not work, what would you recommend and how much would it (roughly) cost?
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Re: Performance tuning of the FTO

Postby Dragonheart » Thu Sep 09, 2010 11:45 pm

When I go to increase my power theres only one way I'm going to do it, and you touched on it above, put in a VR-4 engine. Its been done by lots of people and works, though with a little bit of stress by many of them, but it finally comes good nearly all the time. Can't say the same for turboing (lets not mention the infamous project shall we?) and supercharging is still relatively new and rare for the FTO.
Mods that don't work? Well maybe not a mod that doesnt work, but one that gets credit where it shouldn't, is putting in an air filter, don#t know how many times I've seen a 'For Sale' ad with a filter being listed as a mod thats increasing the cars HP, and not just FTOs either.
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Re: Performance tuning of the FTO

Postby Bernard » Fri Sep 10, 2010 12:48 am

The FTO is what it is, you can make small gains relatively cheaply and moderate gains by spending accordingly.
If you want to really hike the power then you're talking mad money... http://www.mitsubishi-fto.net/car.htm

Realistically, you'd be better off looking for a more powerful car from day one.
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Re: Performance tuning of the FTO

Postby stonchy » Fri Sep 10, 2010 7:20 am

:whs
the FTO is a fast car it has to be said and are going cheep now.
so yes you can pay big money to go fast or you could keep it as is and enjoy it as it was ment to be.
with the GPVR just under 200BHP thats serious stuff.(correct me if im wrong)
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Re: Performance tuning of the FTO

Postby witcher » Fri Sep 10, 2010 9:11 am

Bernard wrote:The FTO is what it is.

:)
True, but it looks soooo beautiful :)
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Re: Performance tuning of the FTO

Postby Bernard » Fri Sep 10, 2010 9:14 am

Can't argue there. :D
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Re: Performance tuning of the FTO

Postby Sgt_Major » Fri Sep 10, 2010 10:46 am

I toyed with putting an Evo 5 or 6 engine in....

but it's expensive... Be almost as cheap to just buy an evo 5 or 6 :D
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Re: Performance tuning of the FTO

Postby Myfeckin FTO » Fri Sep 10, 2010 10:55 am

From my point of view the most anyone should do with an NA FTO is Decat exhaust, CAI induction, uprated fuel pump and FRP, bigger injectors and Iridium plugs and then an appropriate EMS to map the lot. Anything else on an NA FTO engine is overkill (some would say my above list is already OTT).

Want to make your NA FTO faster? - then make it lighter (remove spare & tools, rear seats, air con etc) - improve the suspension and brakes - and reduce unsprung weight (floating discs, lightweight rims & nuts). A 100kg reduction in weight (easily acheivable) will give you an extra 15bhp per ton.

The fastest Irish FTO's in the 1/4 mile have usually been the lightest. My last FTO was timed running up to 6.1 sec 0-60 times - mostly due to the weight reductions - thats significantly better than the Mitsi factory numbers.

Its hard to argue with a VR4 transplant if you are looking for more power - you won't need to build that block if you are running 300bhp which will be plenty in the FTO's chassis.
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Re: Performance tuning of the FTO

Postby Dragonheart » Fri Sep 10, 2010 1:18 pm

Anything over 270bhp I'd imagine you'd want to look at changing her to RWD or 4WD wouldn't you?
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Re: Performance tuning of the FTO

Postby witcher » Fri Sep 10, 2010 1:25 pm

Dragonheart wrote:Anything over 270bhp I'd imagine you'd want to look at changing her to RWD or 4WD wouldn't you?


would be probably smart thing to do, but on the other hand if you install LSD even FWD is very drivable.
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Re: Performance tuning of the FTO

Postby Myfeckin FTO » Fri Sep 10, 2010 2:46 pm

witcher wrote:
Dragonheart wrote:Anything over 270bhp I'd imagine you'd want to look at changing her to RWD or 4WD wouldn't you?


would be probably smart thing to do, but on the other hand if you install LSD even FWD is very drivable.


As per witcher a good LSD will be more than capable of handling 300bhp in an FTO.

I would imagine trying to convert an FTO to RWD or 4WD would be a massive task (e.g. how would you position the propshaft?) - you'd probably need to use an entire Evo's floorpan and running gear and somehow get the FTO body to match up - a lot of cutting and welding and needless to say expense to have a car as fast as an Evo. When theres 350Z's going for less than 10K these days this option really isn't a runner unless you're an absolute FTO fanatic and intend keeping the car for life.
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Re: Performance tuning of the FTO

Postby RichardB » Sat Oct 09, 2010 5:22 pm

Bernard wrote:The FTO is what it is, you can make small gains relatively cheaply and moderate gains by spending accordingly.
If you want to really hike the power then you're talking mad money... http://www.mitsubishi-fto.net/car.htm

Realistically, you'd be better off looking for a more powerful car from day one.


thanks for the link - I would recommend this conversion to anyone, its awsome :) but I have been driving it now for 7+ years :)
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