what is the tip gearbox really?

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Postby Muad_dib77 » Mon Oct 29, 2007 9:33 pm

I know I know .. was just saying..

I'd actually like to see what a well driven tip gpx can do on the 1/4mile..
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Postby colm_mcm » Mon Oct 29, 2007 9:36 pm

Very hard to get a quick start.
does revving the balls out of it in neutral and then slamming it into drive work?
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Postby Dragonheart » Mon Oct 29, 2007 9:41 pm

Bad idea I'd say, prob the same sort of thing as putting it into neutral when driving, cant be good for the gearbox.
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Postby colm_mcm » Mon Oct 29, 2007 9:55 pm

any 1/4 mile run is bad for a gearbox!
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Postby Spitfire » Mon Oct 29, 2007 10:06 pm

the neutral to drive thing would work, but as said that isn't to friendly on gearboxes and automatic clutches and they arn't the nicest thing to have to replace

and still, it would be like just dropping the clutch, so you'd have to get the revs just right....

I've found it drives best from a rolling start :)
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Postby colm_mcm » Mon Oct 29, 2007 10:12 pm

the tiptronic box is a torque convertor gearbox as opposed to a Selespeed type setup with an automatic clutch.
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Postby Spitfire » Mon Oct 29, 2007 10:18 pm

ok!

(i'll pretend i know what ur talking about)

actually i'm interested... explain :P
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Postby colm_mcm » Mon Oct 29, 2007 10:26 pm

check both up on wikipedia or somewhere, most people don't realise how a normal auto box works.
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Postby colm_mcm » Mon Oct 29, 2007 11:03 pm

what's not to get!
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Postby Spitfire » Mon Oct 29, 2007 11:38 pm

i dont think i've ever been so confused in my life
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Postby Spitfire » Tue Oct 30, 2007 10:43 am

whats a 1/4 mile time for a standard GPX? manual one?
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Postby Muad_dib77 » Tue Oct 30, 2007 11:14 am

it varies a bit from driver to driver - but I'd around 15sec-ish it's possible get well into the 14s - but it takes a bit of car-dieting..

there's a few videos up in the "meets" section from the last 1/4ml run in limerick..

it was good fun..
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Postby Spitfire » Tue Oct 30, 2007 11:20 am

cool, was wondering cos a mate has a turbo'd corsa from regal motorsport and he ran 14.7 in the summer, but he's done a few more bits now, its now 234bhp
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Postby Myfeckin FTO » Tue Oct 30, 2007 11:45 am

Spitfire wrote:cool, was wondering cos a mate has a turbo'd corsa from regal motorsport and he ran 14.7 in the summer, but he's done a few more bits now, its now 234bhp


I've run a 14.7 in a manual GPX but its not easy. As Maud says a little bit of dieting is necessary - preferably from the car as well as the driver. :lol:
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Postby CJ » Tue Oct 30, 2007 12:33 pm

colm_mcm wrote:does revving the balls out of it in neutral and then slamming it into drive work?


It may work but you risk blowing the torque convertor to pieces in the process. In terms of 0-60 times, you're talking the guts of 1 sec slower over the manual box. First gear in the manual is not a whole lot of use in terms of torque delivery, its even worse in a tip.

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Postby Spitfire » Tue Oct 30, 2007 12:56 pm

yea i gathered that,

i'm not too keen on first gear, much more fun starting from 2nd

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Postby CJ » Tue Oct 30, 2007 1:09 pm

Spitfire wrote: much more fun starting from 2nd


Can't be done in a tip box though!

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Postby colm_mcm » Tue Oct 30, 2007 1:58 pm

Yeah, it can be done CJ,
just tip the tiptronic selector forward before you take off. only supposed to be done in snow though, puts strain on box.
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Postby Spitfire » Tue Oct 30, 2007 5:49 pm

CJ wrote:
Spitfire wrote: much more fun starting from 2nd


Can't be done in a tip box though!

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well i did it by accident when i first bought the car :oops:
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Postby CJ » Tue Oct 30, 2007 10:25 pm

My mistake fellas, you're right of course.

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Postby CJ » Wed Oct 31, 2007 2:03 pm

gfalls wrote:Is it possible to hold the brakes, then rev the engine and let go, in tip mode?? Not going to try it myself though. Anyone here done it?


Can be done, but again, puts the box under quite a bit of strain, wouldn't recommend it personally. You don't get the same level of initial power in comparison to lifting the clutch on a manual.

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Postby rsg » Wed Oct 31, 2007 5:16 pm

CJ wrote:
gfalls wrote:Is it possible to hold the brakes, then rev the engine and let go, in tip mode?? Not going to try it myself though. Anyone here done it?


Can be done, but again, puts the box under quite a bit of strain, wouldn't recommend it personally. You don't get the same level of initial power in comparison to lifting the clutch on a manual.

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If I remember correctly, thats a test that is done to check the gearbox is healthy (think I read it in the manual). With the handbrake up and your foot on the brake, you rev the car and it shouldn't pass 2500rpm if I recall...

Edit: Also remember being told by the mechanic that he could get the torque convertor (I think that was the part!) remapped to provide more low end power torque.
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