GR Alternator Problem Fixed !!!! (For now anyway)

Technical questions and discussion

Moderator: Moderators

GR Alternator Problem Fixed !!!! (For now anyway)

Postby Mitsinut » Mon Jun 27, 2005 1:00 pm

To everyone with an alternator or overcharging problem in GR version,

I think I've cracked the problem with my alternator :lol: . Had been driving the car with an alternator off a 1990 1.3 Lancer :shock: but it was proving too weak (see note 1). It charged to 14v but the battery light was always on, plus, the battery was continually depleting and eventually dying, had to jump start a couple of times :oops: . I was told the rectifier was probably gone on the Lancer alternator. I think if it were working properly there would've been no problem.

Got a new regulator in the FTO alt and installed it on the weekend and now charging at 13.8 - 14.1v with battery light off. I am still cautious, though, as this normal behavior has happened once or twice before, after installing the alt then about a month later back to 16v and fluctuating.

A couple of things I have noted;

(1) There was a drag off the battery from the internal door lights, cause the contact switch in the door wasn't tight, you'll notice if you close the doors and then push in and out, if there's too much play adjust the door closing (This is why I had to jump start the car a couple of times as the battery was o.k. again after driving for a while,
(2) We checked the earth wires and ran some extra wires directly to the alternator in case it was bad wiring,
(3) The Lancer alternator never overcharged, which I think means there was no shorting occuring outside of the alternator and no shorting in the Lancer alternator. This could mean there is shorting occuring in the FTO alternator. Had a chat with someone in the know and they said that an impact like a bump in the road with hard suspension in the car, could cause the regulator to touch off the body of the alternator and short, which in turns causes a bypass of the regulator, hence erratic charging. If this were the case, then each time I took the alternator in for the repair man to look at it, he took the cover off and probably released any contact which could cause shorting thereby temporarily fixing the problem until the next shock. The test for this theory of course would be to deliberately cause a short on the regulator to examine the effects on the voltmeter.

Hope that is useful to someone, its a lot of trial and error and painful waiting to see whats gonna happen, and the risk of finding yourself on the side of the road needing a jump start :oops:. Still, better than forking out over 1k yoyo's for a new alternator. I'm gonna get a new rectifier in the Lancer Alternator as a back up anyway. If anyone needs to try this route contact me as you will need to get a small bracket fabricated and some longer bolts as the Lancer alternator is a bit smaller. If the Lancer alternator didn't work, I would have tried the Galant alternator (same size, but, 4 pin connector).

DISCLAIMER: Of course I'm not an expert and please note this may have been a specific problem with my car, I couldn't accept responsibility for something going wrong (i.e. lots of blown ECU's), but I think even through researching the UK and Austrailian forums, this is the closest I have got to figuring the alternator problem.


Mitsinut.
Mitsinut
Octane king
Octane king
 
Posts: 97
Joined: Wed May 18, 2005 6:12 pm
Location: Kerry

Postby CJ » Mon Jun 27, 2005 1:39 pm

Sounds like you've been thru the mill there Mitsinut! Problems with the the alternator rectifier seem to be common enough, I had one replaced on the GPX last year.

CJ
User avatar
CJ
Site Admin
Site Admin
 
Posts: 9083
Joined: Mon Feb 24, 2003 4:44 pm
Location: Dublin 15

Postby Mitsinut » Tue Jul 19, 2005 11:37 am

Been through the mill alright, but finally looks like it is sorted. No Problems with the alternator since. The oil light was coming on at low revs in "D" when stopped after driving for a while, thought it might've been the bearings :cry: . Luckily though, checked the oil pressure, at it seemed o.k., and the next check was on the oil pressure switch. It turned out to be faulty so we got a switch off an old diesel lancer and it worked. Would like to compare the oil pressure readings off something though as I don't have the technical data on the required pressure. Do you know? The readings we got when the car was hot, were;

15 lbs/sq.inch @ 500 RPM in "Drive"
50 lbs/sq.inch @ 2000 RPM in "Neutral"
80 lbs/sq.inch @ 3500 RPM in "Neutral"

Do you know if anyone has this data?
Mitsinut
Octane king
Octane king
 
Posts: 97
Joined: Wed May 18, 2005 6:12 pm
Location: Kerry

Postby CJ » Tue Jul 19, 2005 11:58 am

Mitsinut wrote:Do you know if anyone has this data?


Someone out there with an oil pressure gauge should be able to confirm?

CJ
User avatar
CJ
Site Admin
Site Admin
 
Posts: 9083
Joined: Mon Feb 24, 2003 4:44 pm
Location: Dublin 15

Postby kevinod » Tue Jul 19, 2005 12:00 pm

Is it somewhere in the workshop manuals by any chance?

Kev.
Steel Silver manual GR (95 C)
User avatar
kevinod
Moderator
Moderator
 
Posts: 3336
Joined: Fri Feb 13, 2004 10:57 pm
Location: Cork

Postby Mitsinut » Wed Jul 27, 2005 2:47 pm

:cry: Alty gone again. Lasted 1 month exactly, then failed to charge the battery. Battery died v quickly, got a new battery and that was fading fast also. Definitely faulty alternator, think the alt is so bad its not worth reconditioning anymore. Gonna try another.
Mitsinut
Octane king
Octane king
 
Posts: 97
Joined: Wed May 18, 2005 6:12 pm
Location: Kerry

Postby Myfeckin FTO » Wed Jul 27, 2005 3:12 pm

Mitsinut wrote::cry: Alty gone again. Lasted 1 month exactly, then failed to charge the battery. Battery died v quickly, got a new battery and that was fading fast also. Definitely faulty alternator, think the alt is so bad its not worth reconditioning anymore. Gonna try another.


Mitsinut - Are you using an AutoElectrician in Limerick - If so Who?
Image
User avatar
Myfeckin FTO
Forever Ticking Over
Forever Ticking Over
 
Posts: 5307
Joined: Wed Apr 28, 2004 2:19 am
Location: Clare/Limerick

Postby Mitsinut » Wed Jul 27, 2005 5:41 pm

A fella in Listowel did the recondition on the Alternator. Not using anyone in Limerick. Do you know anyone here? I'm at the end of the line with the alty though. I've arranged a 2nd hand alternator off a crashed GR thats supposed to have been working before, but the guy wants my old alternator, which I would gladly give only that its got a new regulator, rectifier etc., so i'd prefer to give a completely banjoed one instead.
Mitsinut
Octane king
Octane king
 
Posts: 97
Joined: Wed May 18, 2005 6:12 pm
Location: Kerry

Postby Myfeckin FTO » Wed Jul 27, 2005 6:01 pm

Mitsinut wrote: Not using anyone in Limerick. Do you know anyone here? ...


Christy Madden - off Ballysimon road - Monaclinoe Ind Estate - well recommended from petrolhead mates that have used him. 061 409860

Let me know how you get on - I'm sure I'll probably need to use him one of these days - the 95/96 FTO alternators seem to have reached their lifespan and are giving up the ghost quite a bit these days.
Image
User avatar
Myfeckin FTO
Forever Ticking Over
Forever Ticking Over
 
Posts: 5307
Joined: Wed Apr 28, 2004 2:19 am
Location: Clare/Limerick

re alts

Postby RiceRocketUk » Thu Aug 11, 2005 3:34 pm

I specialise in supplying the fully rebuilt units, i sell quite a few to the FTOOC over here, i know they seem to be a problem on fto`s. Trouble is I also need the old unit back, so it would probably make it uneconomic because of the carriage charge either way.
RiceRocketUK
07831147200
Used and New Parts Specialist
Mongoose Exhausts
3G & EBC Brakes
ITG Filters
Manual Conversions
amongst lots of other new and used parts
User avatar
RiceRocketUk
Speed freak
Speed freak
 
Posts: 75
Joined: Tue Jul 05, 2005 5:43 pm
Location: Surrey

Postby Mitsinut » Thu Aug 25, 2005 12:43 pm

Myfeckin FTO wrote:
Christy Madden - off Ballysimon road - Monaclinoe Ind Estate - well recommended from petrolhead mates that have used him. 061 409860

Let me know how you get on - I'm sure I'll probably need to use him one of these days - the 95/96 FTO alternators seem to have reached their lifespan and are giving up the ghost quite a bit these days.


I rang Christy but he was too busy to do the job in the timescale I needed, so I got a second hand alty off Brian Lively in Newry. It works but I don't know for how long!!
Mitsinut
Octane king
Octane king
 
Posts: 97
Joined: Wed May 18, 2005 6:12 pm
Location: Kerry

Re: re alts

Postby Mitsinut » Thu Aug 25, 2005 12:50 pm

RiceRocketUk wrote:I specialise in supplying the fully rebuilt units, i sell quite a few to the FTOOC over here, i know they seem to be a problem on fto`s. Trouble is I also need the old unit back, so it would probably make it uneconomic because of the carriage charge either way.


Thanks Ricerocket, as you can see from the last post, I got a second hand alternator and it seems to be working o.k.. I kept the old alternator, a spare is useful. How much you selling alty's for? I could give you the old one (its got new reg, rectifier, not sure bout the rest). Might have cause to go to the UK sometime soon and could drop/collect somewhere.
Mitsinut
Octane king
Octane king
 
Posts: 97
Joined: Wed May 18, 2005 6:12 pm
Location: Kerry

re alt

Postby RiceRocketUk » Thu Aug 25, 2005 1:52 pm

Yes, I sell fully reconditioned ones for £155+PP, warranted for a year, i sell to many members of the Uk FTOOC, but as I said i must have old units back so the acarriage charge is double, doesnt make for a cheap unit that way
RiceRocketUK
07831147200
Used and New Parts Specialist
Mongoose Exhausts
3G & EBC Brakes
ITG Filters
Manual Conversions
amongst lots of other new and used parts
User avatar
RiceRocketUk
Speed freak
Speed freak
 
Posts: 75
Joined: Tue Jul 05, 2005 5:43 pm
Location: Surrey

Postby Danny Kierans » Tue Sep 06, 2005 3:28 pm

Im in the same boat.My alt is doing the same thing for about 8 months' now.Had recon done to many times to count.But have to take it out again. :evil: :evil: :evil:
Im giving it to a diff lad this time.All i can do is live in hope. :smt017
User avatar
Danny Kierans
I'm addicted to my FTO
I'm addicted to my FTO
 
Posts: 763
Joined: Fri May 20, 2005 1:39 pm
Location: Co.Louth

Postby Danny Kierans » Thu Sep 15, 2005 6:00 pm

Have got alt back in now about a week and everything is going good so far..Hope that is the end of that. :smt101
User avatar
Danny Kierans
I'm addicted to my FTO
I'm addicted to my FTO
 
Posts: 763
Joined: Fri May 20, 2005 1:39 pm
Location: Co.Louth


Return to FTO Technical

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 6 guests

cron