UK 98+ model reports for FTO

[Myfeckin FTO]

Theres a thread in the UK forum highlighting the problems of bringing a facelift FTO to the UK - unfortunate for this bloke - but good news for anyone looking to import 98+ FTO's to Ireland.

http://www.ftooc.org/phpbb/viewtopic.ph ... highlight=

He should just export to Ireland rather than break a 98 car.

[Speedyboy]

I seen a 99 in an auction with 19, 000kms I wonder will they decrease much in value with the Uk lads out of the market.

[Myfeckin FTO]

I seen a 99 in an auction with 19, 000kms I wonder will they decrease much in value with the Uk lads out of the market.

Well - to date the majority of late model FTO's went to the UK as they commanded a much higher price - the requirement for an SVA report has put a stop to that.

I don't think we would have previously been able to compete with a sterling bidder for a 99 with low miles as you could get 10K+ GBP for these in the UK. I'd like to think I could now get an 99 GPX/GPvR into Ireland for 12K euros.

[Neil]

feel bad for the lad n all but cant help but think the new sva rules for them over there can only be a good things pricewise for us here

[CJ]

He should just export to Ireland rather than break a 98 car.

On that note, I've added a post to that thread as regards advertising here, no harm in seeing what might come of it.

CJ

[CJ]

This car is up for sale on ebay, potential bargain to be had if you were willing to go to the hassle.

CJ

[Dave]

noticed that myself on the site, don't think he'll end up selling it, i reckon someone over there with an Irish address will end up buying it or something, there's quiet a few interested!

[AL]

im totally baffled as to this new SVA law, ive sold 3 ftos to british buyers since sept 04, they never mentioned a thing about these laws, and ive not had any malicious calls or email since

all the cars were bog standard with full service histories, all in japanese and transcribed to english too.

ive had no more email inquiries over the last few month, should have realised something was a miss eh, just as well im not getting any more in, unless i want another for me that is

this should give us better buying power in japan

[Neil]

theres no bargain to be had, he's setup proxy bidding on it and bidded on it himself under another account with a high bid




(guess who the other bids were from )

[steelroe]

Neil

I am interested to know how you found out he is bidding himself, not a computer whiz myself. But use e-bay a lot and would always like to know if I am bidding against the seller.

Rory

[steelroe]

In his description he says it has ESP (electronic Stability Program) is this another name for traction control or something else entirely.
Never seen it mentioned before.

Damn nice car though. Wouldn't normally like white, but FTO looks good in white.

[Neil]

Steelroe - the bidder who is bidding against me has the same name as the original poster complaining about the sva situation and his 98 fto in the thread on the fto forum, also its proxy bidding so it will automatically outbid other bidders everytime someone bids an amount less than his max.. and since he is the one selling the car its safe to assume this is going to mark it well out of the "steal of the century" range...
this is a common tactic when people have put "NO RESERVE" in their title (which in fairness he has not), they just put a reserve on it another way by proxy bidding a high bid through a dummy account

[Neil]

Also I got two emails to my ebay account, one warning me that the other bidder was the owner (presumably an FTOOC uk member - cheers whoever you are!)
And the other from someone who imported a skyline to the uk warning me that because he doesnt actually have the car (the ebay desc. says its in a lockup garage in another part of the country), that the car could still be waiting for the VAT + Duty to be paid.. and wont be released by the garage holding it until these are paid.
- I dont know how likely or unlikely that second one is, certainly wouldnt take it as fact but I have emailed the seller to clarify anyway.

[Myfeckin FTO]

In his description he says it has ESP (electronic Stability Program) is this another name for traction control or something else entirely.
Never seen it mentioned before.

I'm not aware of the FTO ever having ESP - Its probably just Traction Control which is not the same as ESP.

Agree that there is no bargain to be had at the moment - wait till he's sitting on the car for a couple of months and then you'll find theres a bargain to be had.

If the car is registered in Ireland surely its unlikely the UK owner has to pay the UK tax - as it stands he may only have paid circa 5-6K Euros (3450GBP-4150GBP) before tax for it so I certainly wouldn't bid above this figure.

[kevinod]

Also I got two emails to my ebay account, one warning me that the other bidder was the owner (presumably an FTOOC uk member - cheers whoever you are!)
And the other from someone who imported a skyline to the uk warning me that because he doesnt actually have the car (the ebay desc. says its in a lockup garage in another part of the country), that the car could still be waiting for the VAT + Duty to be paid.. and wont be released by the garage holding it until these are paid.
- I dont know how likely or unlikely that second one is, certainly wouldnt take it as fact but I have emailed the seller to clarify anyway.

Just to bring some paranoia into it, I was wondering if the first email came from someone interested in buying the car himself. But if the other bidder does have the same username as on ftooc then I guess it is the same guy!

I dropped the guy an email asking about any tax/customs/etc. outstanding, he said it was all paid anyway.

Kev.

[Myfeckin FTO]

I dropped the guy an email asking about any tax/customs/etc. outstanding, he said it was all paid anyway.

Kev.

But why would you pay the UK tax if you can't register the car? A lot of UK imports go through Ireland and you don't pay the Irish tax as well as the UK tax so why would it be any different if its coming the other way. Surely the tax is paid in the country where the car is registered.

[kevinod]

I dropped the guy an email asking about any tax/customs/etc. outstanding, he said it was all paid anyway.

Kev.

But why would you pay the UK tax if you can't register the car? A lot of UK imports go through Ireland and you don't pay the Irish tax as well as the UK tax so why would it be any different if its coming the other way. Surely the tax is paid in the country where the car is registered.

When I imported mine I had to pay customs and tax straight away before the car could come off the dock, so its the country its imported to. Importing from the UK to Ireland you don't need to pay customs (in the EU) or VAT IIRC, there was something about that on the forum a few weeks back.

There'll still be VRT on it. According to the VRT calculator on revenue.ie it comes to about €2930 for the 98 GPvR.

Kev.

[Speedyboy]

Theres a few question marks over the whole thing, I'd be weary of bringing it into ireland and then getting stung for Vat and Customs,

If your bidding on it try and get a look at the Jap auction sheet and see that its not a Grade "A" or "0"

Im guessing the car would have to be trailered out of the Uk as its not registered to be driven on the road,

[AL]

you can drive the car directly over to ireland as long as you get special plates from AA or RAC, i think their called "Z" or "ZZ" PLATES, they cost a couple of hundred quid.

also if you buy a car from england you will be hit with a vat bill, Englands vat is 17.5% ( i think ) at least it was several months ago
and we pay 21%
therefore we will have to cough up extra to recoup their 3.5%

[kevinod]

you can drive the car directly over to ireland as long as you get special plates from AA or RAC, i think their called "Z" or "ZZ" PLATES, they cost a couple of hundred quid.

also if you buy a car from england you will be hit with a vat bill, Englands vat is 17.5% ( i think ) at least it was several months ago
and we pay 21%
therefore we will have to cough up extra to recoup their 3.5%

So, on what do you pay the vat, when you buy it? or is that vat for when you actually import it?

Kev.

[AL]

this is a bit of a grey area, not too sure weither its a % of the original import cost of car ( C&F ), at its current exchange rate ( euro vrs yen ). or the rate, when car was originally paid for, as this was english pounds vrs yen, it would obviously be converted to euro vrs yen ..........

jesus , this is starting to confuse me, i need a lie down and a strong drink.

[kevinod]

this is a bit of a grey area, not too sure weither its a % of the original import cost of car ( C&F ), at its current exchange rate ( euro vrs yen ). or the rate, when car was originally paid for, as this was english pounds vrs yen, it would obviously be converted to euro vrs yen ..........

jesus , this is starting to confuse me, i need a lie down and a strong drink.

For importing from outside the EU, its 10% C&F for customs, another 21% of that for VAT and then VRT on top of all that. But for inside the EU, i.e. England in this case, there's no customs, and I'd wonder is there VAT to be paid? Or do you need to have owned the car yourself for a while first to get away without having to pay VAT?

Kev.

[Speedyboy]

No theres no vat from cars in the Uk but this one hasnt been registered in the UK so id say you get hit for VAT, customs basically bend over !

[Neil]

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[CJ]

He was obviously shill bidding