Dying for power, can anyone here help me out?

[ranchiliu]

hi everybody:
just bought gpx(auto) 2 months ago, although it is 200bhp, but i am still not satisfied with that, i estimated that 0-60 just under 7 seconds, but i am really a speed mania, the thing is i don't really know about car too much, don't know what to do in order to increase power dramatically, only thing i knew is change air filter, exhaust system, and maybe light alloywheels, i don't mind spend another few grand on it, just need power, my target will be 0-60m in 5 seconds, can anyone in the forum kindly give me some advices on it , thanks so much,

cheers

sancho(craving for power)

[AL]

i think your figures are all over the place, a tipronic standard fto does 0-60 mph in 7.9 seconds ( approx ), almost a second slower than the manual.
to get a tipronic to a 5 second 0 to 60, you'd need a full decat exhaust + downpipes, cold induction system, remapping, a turbo, but ideally a supercharger, and when you go down this road, you'll have to start upgrading engine components, modifying throttle bodies, injectors, fuel pumps etc, the list goes on

[Kace]

hi everybody:
just bought gpx(auto) 2 months ago, although it is 200bhp, but i am still not satisfied with that, i estimated that 0-60 just under 7 seconds, but i am really a speed mania, the thing is i don't really know about car too much, don't know what to do in order to increase power dramatically, only thing i knew is change air filter, exhaust system, and maybe light alloywheels, i don't mind spend another few grand on it, just need power, my target will be 0-60m in 5 seconds, can anyone in the forum kindly give me some advices on it , thanks so much,

cheers

sancho(craving for power)

The only thing that is going to get you any way close to the jump in performance you seek is to spend several grand on the Turbo kit and installation. All the other mods, e.g. exhaust, air filter, decat etc. will give you negligible benefit - but will of course sound great.

If you're looking for sub 5 seconds you are going to need to change the car I'm afraid

[Dave]

change to a manual would be the first thing i would do!

[agent s]

change to a manual would be the first thing i would do!

I second that!

Also, have you tried driving it off a cliff? Less expensive & more likely to get the speed you so desire!

[RussMan]

Aren't you a funny little thing
My suggestion would be to take every last unessential out of the car as well.

i.e
-remove passenger seat, rear seats (very easy to do)
-remove "get me home tyre in boot" and boot tray.
-possibly replace bonit with CF and boot also... will shave a good bit of weight.
-remove all floor carpets and mats - glove-box - stereo - entire dash? - centre console including armrest etc.
I'm not sure what you'd shave off the weight of the FTO by doing this .. possible 80 - 100kg which is equivalent to a stocky bloke!
- High Octane Petrol Also
-Finally you could live on a lettuce sandwich a day for a year and then give it a go.... if you've the strenght to press the accelerator!!

[agent s]

i.e
-remove passenger seat, rear seats (very easy to do)
-remove all floor carpets and mats - glove-box - stereo - entire dash? - centre console including armrest etc.
I'm not sure what you'd shave off the weight of the FTO by doing this .. possible 80 - 100kg which is equivalent to a stocky bloke!
-Finally you could live on a lettuce sandwich a day for a year and then give it a go.... if you've the strenght to press the accelerator!!

But why wouldn't you just get a different car that you didn't have to gut out...

[Muad_dib77]

change to a manual would be the first thing i would do!

Definately... you bought the wrong car mate.
There's not much point in starting to mod the Tip - unless you know somebody who'll do a coversion real cheap.

If I was you - I'd seriously consider findign something with a slightly bigger engine. Like perhaps a GTO..gut it...and start upgrading.

[AL]

i didnt want to be a smartass and state the obvious about getting a manual model first of all, but it seems to me if money is no object then go for this.
do you want it for an everyday drive or drag racing?
if you go for completely stripping out car then get a good set of earmuffs

[soc]

As the lads have said above - the FTO is a very highly tuned engine out of the factory. 200bhp from a 2.0lt N/A car is a real feat of engineering, especially when you consider the FTO was around long before any other N/A cars were making this kind of power. It's been well proven in the past that the 2.0lt V6 lump is very hard to tune so most folks spend there time and money on handling and styling.

Also the tip is a bit slower than the manual - not sure it's a full second slower to 60mph but it is noticeably slower.

If you really want to get the power required for a 5 second 0-60 you're realistically looking at some pretty drastic measures - I reckon you'd need around 280-300bhp with 280+ ft/lb torque. This kind of power will only introduce more cost and problems than are sensible - you'd be looking at a turbo/supercharger, remap, maybe a new gearbox (I'd suspect the 4 speed tip wouldn't last long on that kind of power), uprated brakes and supsension components, etc. Maybe you could do an engine transplant - one Uk owner spent 18 months doing a VR4 transplant!!!! That's a long time and a lot of money....

If you're really set on big power then my advice would be to sell the FTO and buy smething with a large capacity engine (2.5lt+) or something turbo charged!

[ranchiliu]

after reviewing all the comments, i realise it is not worth it to modify the car just for the power i desire, u guys r right, if i need power i should have bought some car like lotus, porsche and ects, however that will be my last resort, i think i will do small things first , like chaging air filters, performance exhausts...., anyway, i will let u guys know how i get on, cheers

[kevinod]

Missed a lot of this until now... from what I've seen/heard, the best immediate gains you can get from the FTO center around the air in/exhaust out - induction kit, downpipes, decat and aftermarket exhaust.

Beyond that I haven't heard of any 'easy' mods you can do that people have raved about tbh without getting into the bigger bucks like putting in a turbo/supercharger, etc.

One guy in the UK put in an Evo engine I think it was into his, RichardB, spent huge amounts of time and ££ on it, and I dont' remember his times exactly but I don't remember him getting under 5seconds... could be wrong?

Anyway, the FTO is no slouch as it is, mffto was well up there in the 60 second/quarter mile times a month or so back. I'm finding that you'll have no problem parting with any spare cash you have to do bits here and bits there!

[Myfeckin FTO]

Anyway, the FTO is no slouch as it is, mffto was well up there in the 60 second/quarter mile times a month or so back. I'm finding that you'll have no problem parting with any spare cash you have to do bits here and bits there!

Your not wrong Kev - A nicely modded Manual GPX is a hard car to beat.
Every bit as fast as an Integra Type R - my 0-60 was timed at 6.48secs at the 1/4 mile.
I have driven Scoobys and Evos and have yet found a road car that gives me as much pleasure to drive as my FTO.

If you want to make an FTO fast you need to loose weight (from the car ). As per Rusty - I took out stupid space saver (very heavy) - rear ICE , rear boot floor, rear seats, carpeting etc - I'd say I must have taken somewhere between 30-50kgs out of the car which would have brought the car to 1150kg approx which would bring the car to almost 170bhp per ton - Thats quite a bit more than a standard 220bhp Scooby.

A manual gearbox would be the first step to ultimate acceleration. If money was no object and you wanted to keep the car naturally aspirated then you could change the manifold downpipes - decat stainless steel exhaust (no resonators) - cold air induction kit - fuel pressure regulator, bored out throttle body and inlet manifold - Iridium plugs - uprated fuel pump. Add a lightened flywheel and some lightweight alloys (& good rubber) to that mix and you'd have a fast accelerating car.

But if you want to make it quick you will also need to address the suspension and brakes - e.g. coilovers / 4 pot front calipers / upper and lower strut braces / poly bushes all round - maybe even a roll cage to further strengthen structural ridigity.

I imagine the best time a NA Mivec Manual FTO will get on the 1/4 mile should be early 14secs. Thats faster than the 238BHP Maxda RX8, an Audi TT 225bhp turbo and practically as fast as the 276BHP Nissan 350Z.

As mentioned - If you want faster than that then you will have to go turbo - and probably an engine conversion using an 2.0turbo from the EVO or 2.5 twin turbo from the Galant VR4.