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Adjustable camgears group buy ?

PostPosted: Sat Feb 07, 2009 12:37 pm
by d_dan
Hi guys,

Im thinking i could get ye a decent group buy when it comes to adjustable camgears,

These could give your NA FTO a power boost up up to 15BHP.

At the moment the price stands at E 300 delived for
4x Light weight adjustable Camgears.

If we could get an order for about 5 or so im sure i could get a few quid off.

PostPosted: Sun Feb 08, 2009 3:56 pm
by johntony
would that be on just mivecs or across the board and how much would they be to get fitted

PostPosted: Sun Feb 08, 2009 4:22 pm
by d_dan
johntony wrote:would that be on just mivecs or across the board and how much would they be to get fitted
I could get them for any FTO i suppose.

These are best done when servicing the car, or to do a service as the timing belt has to come off to fit these.

And im not sure on setup but will let you know inhte next week or two when i set mine up

PostPosted: Sun Feb 08, 2009 9:39 pm
by colm_mcm
Erm.. how exactly will these give me more power?

PostPosted: Sun Feb 08, 2009 11:31 pm
by d_dan
by adjusting the exact points of the cams, you can adjust the cam postion so that the valves are open and closed at the perfect time.

Its fine tuning of the timing so you dont have any overlap

PostPosted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 10:40 am
by colm_mcm
so for a car like mine with just a performance filter, decat and quads, what gains are possible?

PostPosted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 1:12 pm
by d_dan
up to 15 BHP but lets say closer to 10 more realistically and then the more mods you add the better controle youll have

PostPosted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 2:44 pm
by colm_mcm
Is the standard setup that much out that I'm effectively losing 10bhp due to bad design?

PostPosted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 3:36 pm
by d_dan
not bad design, but more down to economy id say. as with your performance parts you have changed the mitsubishi setup so other pieces should be altered too.

For example,
the 3 main things that makes your engine run.
INTAKE (air)
FULING/ EXHAUST
EXHAUST

Colm for example you have a better air intake from your upgraded parts,
and a more free flowing exhaust.

So he has freed up any extra ponies that may have been smothered by the OLD, and standard parts.

But he could easily get good gains now by workign on the fuling as he has extra air and the exhaust gasses will bbe removed smoothly enough.

buy why not perfect that with the optimum setup by having the valves
releasing the gasses and recieving the fresh air at the perfect time

PostPosted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 4:06 pm
by colm_mcm
Is there any information available (dynos etc) that put an accurate figure on it? Would be a bit of a waste to spend a lot on these, run the risk of them not being of OE quality, or find that they have no effect.

PostPosted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 4:45 pm
by d_dan

PostPosted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 4:58 pm
by colm_mcm
That's a no then.

PostPosted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 5:19 pm
by d_dan
there is plenty, on the internet just look into the owners clubs, any of the honda owners clubs mainly

PostPosted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 9:55 pm
by kevinod
Sounds like a lot of time, money and effort for an estimated gain of 10bhp! If you even want to dream about someone buying into this you're going to need a full complete and detailed description of what the group buy is for, including pictures, how they are installed and setup, how much that is likely to cost, and documented evidence of actual gains made.

PostPosted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 11:17 pm
by d_dan
kevinod wrote:Sounds like a lot of time, money and effort for an estimated gain of 10bhp!


welcome to the world of na tuning

PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 8:46 am
by kevinod
d_dan wrote:
kevinod wrote:Sounds like a lot of time, money and effort for an estimated gain of 10bhp!


welcome to the world of na tuning


My point was more on the 'estimated gain' part. I'd hate to go to that much trouble only to discover I only got half the expected gain, little as it is, or worse, loss of hp! Even if it was a proven gain I can't see many if any insurance companies going near it. No offense intended, just my opinion!

PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 11:33 am
by d_dan
has you insured your mods?

alloys, a filter, exhaust, upgraded spark plugs? plug leads?

Anything that affects the performance or handeling of the car are to be declaired

PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 12:24 pm
by kevinod
Filters and spark plugs are a league apart from adjustable camgears... :roll:

PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 1:00 pm
by d_dan
still the exact same thing,

and tehy can be set to "0" so they can be standard.

Cheap alternative from buying new OE ones