Wing Mirror Question - GPvR versus GPX

[mcgon1979]

I have a crack in the housing of my drivers side mirror, someone obviously gave it a tap.
Can I use a GPX mirror folding mirror? My mirror does not have electric fold. They look identical? Anyone know for sure? Thanks guys

[mcgon1979]

As I understand it from doing a search, my one has no motors in it to fold up. Lightweight version. The GPX one has the motors in it. I think I could still use that one, it just won't fold up.
The mirror is 287 sterling on camskill. lol. haha. lol.
sorry. Had to give myself a laugh there. So I'll need to get one on ebay I guess.

[colm_mcm]

I'd chance it, hopefully the wiring plug is the same

[mcgon1979]

I'd chance it, hopefully the wiring plug is the same

yeah. worst case scenario I'll just adjust the mirror by hand Not paying 400+euro to get a new one delivered and painted.

[Chris_Heilong]

Well if your planning on throwing the mirror out then let me know, could do with the plastic surround.

[mcgon1979]

no bother Chris.

[goz_83]

You could just get the mirror repaired repaired and painted no? I am pretty sure I have mirror housings in the shed. They come apart easy enough, so if the housing is damaged, you can steal the housing from any fto mirror and get it painted if necessary. I can check if I have a spare housing. I know I definitely have a p/side one, but I should have the d/side too. I'm pretty sure Gerry has one if not.

[mcgon1979]

thanks goz. Yeah the housing is cracked, and the black plastic bit that connects into the housing. The internals, the mirror and its holder are all perfect. It's just the housing and the black lip that sits into the housing at the front of the mirror.
I've sent a mail to a fella in the UK who has a white one going. I'll see if I can get that. avoid the hassle of painting etc. but if he don't come back to me, I'll followup with yourself. If im gonna pint it, I may as well just pickit up locally. thanks for your reply. appreciate it.

[goz_83]

As mentioned above. Try Gerry. He has a white one breaking and probably has what you need. He's local in north Dublin too. If you're going to the meet this Saturday I could probably collect the mirror, because I have to drop the used shocks I got back to him. Was thinking of doing that today actually. PM me if you need his number and want to sort that out.

[mcgon1979]

Hey, I've just bought that white one on ebay for 20sterling plus shipping.
However, if it's not up to scratch (very clean), I might get Gerrys one anyway.
If you see him when you drop off the shocks can you maybe just find out if he has the white driver side wing mirror and is it clean and how much he'd want for it.
I'll give him a ring if the ebay one don't look great when it arrives on Friday/Monday.
Cheers Goz.

[Chris_Heilong]

I was trying to get a white one from Gerry last week but he didnt have any white ones left He did have them i other colours.

[Sebastian]

if the housing is cracked , just replace that , you can use your internals/glass if you say they are fine and it's a 10 min diy job

[mcgon1979]

Hey Seb, Got the whole unit anyway in white off a 95 GPX. To be honest it's as clean as my own mirrors so I'm delighted. I'll not even bother stripping it out to use the lighter internals (no motors) out of mine. I'll just bolt it in, 2 bolts. 10 minute job. I thought I might need to touch it up or t-cut it etc before I put it on, but its in great shape, so I'll just stick it straight on and wax next time I clean.
I must see how much heavier it is than mine when I take mine off. I'd say its less than 1kg difference. few 100s of grams maybe.

[goz_83]

Deep down inside you'll know that something is off.

[mcgon1979]

haha. That used to be me. Exactly. 5 years of ownership has mellowed me. a LOT!

[mcgon1979]

I decided to follow up in here as I thought a couple of you might be interested.
First off, the connectors on the GPvR and the GPX wing mirrors are different. Or perhaps it's because the replacement wing mirror is from 1995 GPX and mine is 1999 GPvR. Here is what they look like...

GPvR 1999



and GPX 1995



I suppose I was thinking I could (if I was really pushed) make up some sort of a connection to do the job. but... I decided not to bother. Why? Because it's the driver side wing mirror. I never adjust it, but if I ever need to I can just use my hand. If it was the passenger side one I'd be more inclined to try and figure out a way to get it working from the electronic control in the car. anyway, I have not adjusted my mirrors in a long long time. So I'm happy enough to just set it by hand and leave it.

Secondly, and more interestingly... I always read the GPvR did not have climate control or sound deadening or fold up mirrors to save weight... Even on camskill they say this.... No motors in the GPvR model... Hmmm... I wonder how much lighter it is...



In the interests of science, (and because they felt almost the same to me) I decided to weight them...
The results surprised me... The GPvR wing mirror without motors (allegedly) is how much lighter? ? ? ? Anyone?

GPvR Wing Mirror (tiny bit of plastic missing)



GPX Wing Mirror



I would call that one busted. The Mirrors are prettu much identical. The fold up one does make a satisfying CLICK when folded up or down manually. The GPvR doesn't. They feel the same weight though? No idea, and not going to open the GPX one to see. Don't wanna risk breaking it

All in all I'm happy with the outcome. Ordered Wednesday, fitted Friday. 25euro + 30euro shipping. 55Euro. In fairness, I could have got it standard post for about 10euro but would have taken middle or end of next week, and I had to have it fixed sooner than later as it made me feel sad everytime I looked at the mirror.
Still for 25euro for the mirror itself. Steal. And no need to paint and it's in pretty much perfect condition.

[goz_83]

It's very easy to take the mirror apart. For the same of a few minutes, I'd rather have the option of electric mirrors, even if I never used the electric functions. Pull the mirror glass from the bottom of the mirror and it clicks out. A few screwy bits later and you have the casing free.

[ottostreet]

Might chance my GPvR mirrors over to the folding GPX ones so. Does the vR have the wiring there already, and it's just a case of connecting the other mirrors?

[optical illusion]

Honest to god, Camskill are a fooking joke with the price of most of their parts.

[goz_83]

Yeah, but they're quick to boot when you need a part fast. It's either that, or have a spare fto for parts; something I would have if I had more space.

[optical illusion]

Yeah, but they're quick to boot when you need a part fast. It's either that, or have a spare fto for parts; something I would have if I had more space.

For 14 sterling anyone would. I have waited 3 weeks for common parts before. Sure what can you do, it's a monopoly.

[mcgon1979]

Might chance my GPvR mirrors over to the folding GPX ones so. Does the vR have the wiring there already, and it's just a case of connecting the other mirrors?

would you install switch somewhere in the vR cabin, or are the electric fold up mirrors in the gpx linked to the ignition going off?
The wiring loom that comes from the car looks different to me, not to mention the connector to the mirror. I wouldn't bother.

[Chris_Heilong]

Its connected to a switch with controls for opening/closing and then a controller for tilting them up/down/left/right.

[mcgon1979]

The GPvR doesn't have that switch though. Just the tilting control.
Well, mine doesn't anyway.

[goz_83]

The GPvR doesn't have that switch though. Just the tilting control.
Well, mine doesn't anyway.

Correct. Would require some wiring to get that going. Kind of silly, considering the mirror units are the same weight. Must be about 2 grams saved in the wiring.