FTO GPX VS. LANCER GSR???

[johnny]

i need your help, a mate of mine just bought a lancer gsr (1.8 Turbo), and its a beast of a car, ive been thinkin for some time of buyin a fto gpx mivec, does anyone know how would it compare to a turbo gsr??? cheers

[soc]

i need your help, a mate of mine just bought a lancer gsr (1.8 Turbo), and its a beast of a car, ive been thinkin for some time of buyin a fto gpx mivec, does anyone know how would it compare to a turbo gsr??? cheers

MfFTO (on here) ran a 6.48 second 0-60 and a 15.03 second 1/4 in his manual GPX - I dunno what the GSR does but if you do get a GPX be aware the manuals are almost a full second quicker to 60 than the tip ones.

Check on this thread http://www.fto-ireland.com/forum/phpBB2 ... sc&start=0

[Myfeckin FTO]

I have driven a GSR a couple of times - Nice initial kick but wouldn't compete with a scooby. As standard I would say the Manual GPX would have the edge esp on top end.

The GSR would be easier to modify though - stick a bigger turbo and stronger internals in and you'd have a faster car alright.

There was a guy running a nicely modded GSR at the 1/4 mile event and he was running very similar times to myself.

Would imagine the FTO having the edge around a dry track as well.

[agent s]

Johnny.. you're on a FTO appreciation site.. I reckon the FTO's gonna win this one!

[Myfeckin FTO]

Johnny.. you're on a FTO appreciation site.. I reckon the FTO's gonna win this one!

Not neccessarily - I tell it like it is.
Is an FTO GPX Manual faster than a GSR Lancer - Just about - depending on the conditions.
Is it as fast as an Integra Type R - Yes but its very close.
Is it faster than an EVO - er NO!

Is it better looking than the above 3 - you betcha!

[agent s]

Johnny.. you're on a FTO appreciation site.. I reckon the FTO's gonna win this one!

Not neccessarily - I tell it like it is.

Never too busy to bust chops MfFTO... one of your more endearing qualities...

All I'm saying is that we're all so crazy about the overall package of the FTO that we wnt to the bother of becoming nerds and joining a website that appreciates them! We're Trekkies but (slightly) cooler!

[AL]

the 1.8 GSR is faster than manual fto mivec, but has a dog of an engine, i knew 3 people with them, who in hindsight wouldnt have touched them with a 20 foot bargepole, tappets are a weak link, id personally go for the 1.6 lancer mivec if i was dead set on getting a lancer, only a slight drop in performance and a more rifined engined to boot .

but of course if i had a choice it would be an fto manual mivec by a mile

[Myfeckin FTO]

Never too busy to bust chops MfFTO... one of your more endearing qualities...

All I'm saying is that we're all so crazy about the overall package of the FTO that we wnt to the bother of becoming nerds and joining a website that appreciates them! We're Trekkies but (slightly) cooler!

Not particularly interested in "Busting Chops" - I'm a petrol-head - I like to talk about cars inc FTO's.

I just tried to answer the mans question. Thanks for your contribution though!

[Muad_dib77]

We're Trekkies but (slightly) cooler!

[Myfeckin FTO]

the 1.8 GSR is faster than manual fto mivec, but has a dog of an engine, i knew 3 people with them, who in hindsight wouldnt have touched them with a 20 foot bargepole, tappets are a weak link, id personally go for the 1.6 lancer mivec if i was dead set on getting a lancer, only a slight drop in performance and a more rifined engined to boot .

but of course if i had a choice it would be an fto manual mivec by a mile

The GSR is 4WD though and thats what would appeal more to me than the FWD lancer mivec though it would be the safer option.

TBH - If I was going down this road - I'd just buy an Evo. The GSR is practically as thirsty and not far off as expensive to run.

[johnny]

thanks for ur help guys, i think ill begin my search for a manual gpx

[kevinod]

thanks for ur help guys, i think ill begin my search for a manual gpx

Woohoo! another potential FTO-er!

Just watch out for the dealers around selling FTOs, their prices are more often then not way too high. Feel free to ask for advice on any one you see around that takes your fancy though!

[JJ]

We've got an FTO in the UK that was able to push an EVO hard in accelleration and possibly could have had the power to beat it

http://www.ftooc.org/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=43146

[Mustang]

the 1.8 GSR is faster than manual fto mivec, but has a dog of an engine, i knew 3 people with them, who in hindsight wouldnt have touched them with a 20 foot bargepole, tappets are a weak link, id personally go for the 1.6 lancer mivec if i was dead set on getting a lancer, only a slight drop in performance and a more rifined engined to boot .

but of course if i had a choice it would be an fto manual mivec by a mile

Al please share your wisdom/experiences, I would have seriously considered buying one of these...until I read your above post.
Are the tappets prone to failure or just noisey. I understand this is a common issue with mitsubishi's in general. What other issues did these guys have?

MfFTO wrote

TBH -I'd just buy an Evo. The GSR is practically as thirsty and not far off as expensive to run.

TBH I find that hard to believe, that a 1.8 with ~200bhp, would be almost as thirsty as 2L with 280bhp? On the face of it the GSR looks like the ideal package, Relatively easy and much cheaper to insure than, either the FTO or Evo. Less motor tax (small consideration), lower VRT rate. The other big selling point for me is the subtlety of the GSR -not in your face like an EVO. Each to their own though.

[Myfeckin FTO]

MfFTO wrote

TBH -I'd just buy an Evo. The GSR is practically as thirsty and not far off as expensive to run.

TBH I find that hard to believe, that a 1.8 with ~200bhp, would be almost as thirsty as 2L with 280bhp? On the face of it the GSR looks like the ideal package, Relatively easy and much cheaper to insure than, either the FTO or Evo. Less motor tax (small consideration), lower VRT rate. The other big selling point for me is the subtlety of the GSR -not in your face like an EVO. Each to their own though.

I know a guy who tried to run one for a couple of years - had a spin out of it a couple of times. His MPG was def a lot worse than the scooby I've been driving as of late and it didn't have the performance either - he spent quite a lot of money maintaining the car and got rid of it in the end (he bought a Cougar off me). I almost gave him a trade in on the cougar but I wasn't all that impressed with its top end - like a lot of turbos all the action is in the mid-range where theres mountains of power and torque and then you find it dies a death on top-end. Hence why I believe theres nothing in it performance wise with a Manual GPX. The offical Mitsi figures give a 0-60 on the GSR of 7.4 and a 1/4 mile of 15.4 (though the modded one at the 1/4 mile in limerick ran a 14.8 ) - thats not too disimilar to a Manual GPX. Like I've said though - I would imagine its easier to extract more power from the GSR.

I got insurance quotes on a GSR, an EVO, a Scooby and GPX when I last went to change my car. Scooby was cheapest followed by GSR , then EVO (but not by much) - FTO was most expensive by far and they wouldn't consider insuring it fully comp. Still bought the FTO though.

Accept it certainly is more suttle than an EVO - Its not much to look at. I'd always feel like I'm driving a wannabe EVO.

[Ronanc]

i jsut got a gsr, im delighted with it, the mivecs are nothing but trouble, ive had to of them! gsr is a thirsty yoke alright and im not sure of the running costs yet but i priced a clutch from mitsi at 650e, its not that expensive to run tho, as long as its looked after, diff oil changed regulary, not thrashing through the gears etc....

As for quickness, its very quick on take off and up to a tonne, but after that its more less dead as the turbo lacks off at 5k rpm, im going to modify the manifold to take the evo3 td05 turbo which will pull all way to redline

Ronan,
Irishmoc.org

[Mustang]

i jsut got a gsr, im delighted with it, the mivecs are nothing but trouble, ive had to of them!

Al wrote

id personally go for the 1.6 lancer mivec if i was dead set on getting a lancer, only a slight drop in performance and a more rifined engined to boot

Mustang thinks......

Ronanc I saw your 93 (or was it '94) cyborg at the RR meet, what other mivec did you have? What sort of trouble?

[agent s]

thanks for ur help guys, i think ill begin my search for a manual gpx

Woohoo! another potential FTO-er!

Yaaay!

[Ronanc]

@ mustang, had a silver one before that, piston rings went, same on the 93 cyborg, piston ring broke up and dinted the piston and head

[AL]

ok i opened a can of worms with my comment, GOOD!!
as ive said a few of my friends had these 1.8 GSRs, ive driven in them all, before each of my mates EVENTUALLY got rid of them.

the engines are dog ruff, very very noisey, more of a rattle that a grunt. tappets are a problem, even when changed, noise usually returns within weeks. i know some of you out there will say otherwise, but facts are facts,

1/ all 1.8 GSRs ive encountered, had noisey engines.
2/ parts were, and maybe still are, hard to come by.

and these problems were evident through some other 1.8 GSR owners that they knew

i repeat get the 1.6 mivec lancer, better engine, ultimately go for an EVO 5/6

[Ronanc]

have to disagree with you there al, mivec engines are very troublesome! i kow ive had 2 of them, and the running cost of the cyborg was more than the gsr beleive it or not!

As for the engines being ruff! not at all, if you dont have fully syntetic oil in they are bit ruff, ive tried this, put fully syntetic in and runs as smooth, cant even hear the engine on idle or feel the engine runnig for that matter,

the tappets are a bit noisy but so are all mitsi's in general, tappets sound the same on both the cyborg and the gsr! in fact they were louder on the cyborg.

I speak for the GEN2 GSR, so maybe the old ones were different!?!

As for your statement of go for evo 5/6, much much more problems with those, they tend to crankwalk! which is not good at all at all! big $$$

Ronan

[CJ]

have to disagree with you there al, mivec engines are very troublesome!

Ronan, when you say Mivec, I assume you're talking about Cyborg engines specifically (I know that most Cyborg owners tend to call their cars 'Mivecs'). The MIVEC on the FTO is a very reliable bit of engineering in my experience.

OT but I see from your sig that you've got a Hachi, you're obviously getting stuck into some sideways fun!

CJ

[Ronanc]

yes iam refering to the cyborg lol ive got one alrite yep, but its sitting in the driveway wrote off, some women pulled out in fron of me on the way to work and wrote the car off! wouldnt admit liability so it has to be investigated

[AL]

i also had a cyborg ( ca4a ) a few years ago, i never had a problem with it ( except for syncro mesh ) but thats common on lots of mitsi's and had a 93 lancer MR, same engine as cyborg, i never had a problem with either car, but i must admit my brother also had a lancer MR, he had non stop clutch problems with his.
having said that the lancer MR was fast, faster than a civic SIR , there's another can of worms i opened

[Mustang]

the lancer MR was fast, faster than a civic SIR , there's another can of worms i opened

More than happy to oblige with that can of worms. The Cyborg & lancer MR are both fitted with the same 1.6 engine. Which is more powerful than the 1.6 engine fitted in the SiR Civic.Here is an interesting article comparing these cars, in which the civic comes out on top, despite being the lesser car on paper. I've never driven either of them just thought this might interest you!