Chasis Rigidity

[d_dan]

Who here feels the FTO chassis is a bit soft

[colm_mcm]

compared to?

Lets be realistic here. what do you want from a car like the FTO?

[d_dan]

SPORTS CAR.

[colm_mcm]

I wouldn't say it's any worse than its competition (DC2 Integra, Fiat Coupe, Toyota Celica etc.)

[Myfeckin FTO]

Who here feels the FTO chassis is a bit soft

Well - you are talking about a sports car designed for 1994 to compete against its contemparies like the Celica and Prelude.

However there is a lot you can do such as aftermarket dampers, springs or coilovers, strut braces (top & bottom) , poly bushes and uprated droplinks etc to bring it up to date.

Personally I would like to strip and seam weld an FTO chassis and add a roll cage plus the above and I'd be confident that I'd have a sports car that NO current OE hot hatch or coupe could get near for rigidity.

Not sure what your point is though Dan? Have you ever driven your FTO on a track to compare the handling like for like with other coupes?

[d_dan]

you obviously havnt been in a Teg that somone has some work into making it nice and rigid.

I for example
am having to look for some drastic measures to get the FTO as solid as i can.

Fitting a Roll cage,
Making arch braces,
Underbody strutbarces,
IKEA brace (flat pannel welded in the gap behind the rear seats)
Foaming the Chasis.

[Myfeckin FTO]

you obviously havnt been in a Teg that somone has some work into making it nice and rigid.........

What the f*ck do you know about what I have and haven't driven?

I've driven DC2's and DC5's and tbh the Racing Puma I previously owned is better handling than either Teg and there was very little in it with my last FTO after I changed all bushes (for poly where avail) + front and rear strut braces + KYB dampers and apex springs and F & R droplinks.

As you know I also owned a 350Z with several aftermarket mods to engine and suspension and I know there would have been little in it if it (compared to my last GPX) came down to a sprint around mondello. Power to weight on a Mivec (and an updated suspension package) can't be ignored in comparison to more modern machinery.

Why persist with an FTO if you feel the Tegs are better handlers?

[d_dan]

hey Shane iv a lend of a tweesers if you wana pull whatever crawled up your ass back out.

I never said iv driven them but iv been in plenty.

Why persist in the FTO?

Because its obviously not something that has been done to death unlike alot of cars....

Thats why I enjoy trying to build the performance of my FTO so much

Sadly its dosnt seem like a passion of many of you here when Seb's idea for a modified/ performance section was done...


You would think that a section of the site designed to Technical Discussion Forum would be to discuss the pros and cons of ideas

[Myfeckin FTO]

you obviously havnt been in a Teg that somone has some work into making it nice and rigid...............

hey Shane iv a lend of a tweesers if you wana pull whatever crawled up your ass back out.
...............Sadly its dosnt seem like a passion of many of you here when Seb's idea for a modified/ performance section was done...
You would think that a section of the site designed to Technical Discussion Forum would be to discuss the pros and cons of ideas

And this is how you choose to discuss Pros and Cons of FTO's?
I feel the above points I made about FTO's were justified and fair.
I'm no shrinking voilet Dan - so don't hold back in our "discussion"!

[CJ]

You would think that a section of the site designed to Technical Discussion Forum would be to discuss the pros and cons of ideas :roll:

Dan, this has been discussed already and it was decided that there was little or no merit in adding an additional forum - end of story.

Sadly its dosnt seem like a passion of many of you here when Seb's idea for a modified/ performance section was done...

You're not doing yourself any favours with comments like this...

Back to your original question - replace \ update every possible bush, droplink and suspension component in an FTO and you'll have a machine capable of out-handling pretty much anything else on the road car bar an Elise or similar. Front and rear upper and lower strut bards will also help.

Aido C's GPX (i.e. my old FTO) was the best handling car I've owned or driven, every possible suspension part was replaced or uprated.

The FTOs chassis is most definetely not 'soft', even in stock form.

CJ

[steelroe]

[quote="d_dan"]you obviously havnt been in a Teg that somone has some work into making it nice and rigid.[quote]

Dan I dont understand what you are trying to say with this post. You question the rigidity of the FTO by comparing it to an Integra with chassis modifications to make it more rigid.

And also for a relatively new member I dont think it is very wise making silly comments in relation others members passion for the FTO.

[TopCat]

Sadly its dosnt seem like a passion of many of you here ..

Dan, how the hell to you expect to get favourable replies to you posts when you make general sweeping comments like that which are insulting and also just not true. A lot of people here have TASTEFULLY modified their cars, to their own spec, so if they don't stack up to what you considered modified, tough $hit, but the least you could do is not insult people about it. And you go on about not wanting to talk about the money side of it, which is fair enough, but do the rest of us have to spend thousands before you consider it modified? Cop on!

[MY-JAP-MISTRESS]

mine is fully polybushed and new bumpstops, front and rear strut braces with apexi springs.... handels fine to me tho does tram line a lil with the low profile tyres. the best thing about the fto`s ability is that you will know when things like bushes are on there way out of the alingment is a lil off you will feel it but you can still be pretty sure it wont let you down when you need it most

[Muad_dib77]

It's all about what your refence is Dan..

If you're comparing an fto with no mods to a teg with extra stiffening, new bushings and what not..of course the fto is goign to feel a bit..well soft.. but the same would apply the other way around..

fact is most of these cars - if left untouched - would start to show their age...
especially on the track or indeed on most of the irish roads..

You seem to know what needs to be done to fix it though.. get cracking.. stiffen it up to bejaysus - make sure that turbo of yours doesn't make the chassis twist..

[colm_mcm]

Dan, I think you need to drive an FTO that has been setup well, the difference between driving Shanes old FTO and driving mine is big, and mine isn't the worst yoke to drive.

[gary d]

you obviously havnt been in a Teg that somone has some work into making it nice and rigid.

I for example
am having to look for some drastic measures to get the FTO as solid as i can.

Fitting a Roll cage,
Making arch braces,
Underbody strutbarces,
IKEA brace (flat pannel welded in the gap behind the rear seats)
Foaming the Chasis.

Hi Dan I think if you do all you have listed here you will make the car too! rigid and thus making the car unpredictable at the limit. a roll cage well tide in to the chassis should go a long way to providing the strength your looking for. as for the ikea panel you'd be better off triangulating this area using alloy tubing bolted in place, better strength to weight ratio than steel plate. well impresed so far with your efforts keep up the good work, what kind of power do you hope to acheive?

[IrishGirl]

you obviously havnt been in a Teg that somone has some work into making it nice and rigid.........

What the f*ck do you know about what I have and haven't driven?

I think Dan's reply was to Colm's comment...

I wouldn't say it's any worse than its competition (DC2 Integra, Fiat Coupe, Toyota Celica etc.)

Could be wrong tough

[d_dan]

I was talking to him...


In terms of power im looking for about 260 from my build

[gary d]

260 bhp not a million miles away from a standard cars output, a cage, strut braces top and bottom and the usual suspension upgrades should be sufficient to deal with this kind of power. a car with an overrigid chassis can be very unforgiving and horrible to drive on the road especially those we have around Ireland. Or do you plan to use this purely as a track tool how much will your turbo conversion up your torque figure by? have you given any thought to uprating drive shafts cv's etc?

[Myfeckin FTO]

.............In terms of power im looking for about 260 from my build

What happened to 400bhp and Nitros for additonal power?

Glad to see a bit of realism kicking in.

[gary d]

Don't be hatin on a playa, allways set your sights high if you get even halfway there your doin well.

[TopCat]

..allways set your sights high if you get even halfway there your doin well.

Beforehand Dan's was 209bhp, and half of 400 is... oh oh.
Sorry Gary, only messin, just couldn't resist.
I think 260 is a good target, and should be well within the reach of the setup. If you can get it running reliably at that is an achievement, and you can always push it up later.

[d_dan]

Shane the kit i have along with forged internals could well see 350 BHP.
and you too will see it in the blue one.

Im leaving the white one with the setup Iv done rather than fit forged internals as it would have been a waste of time decompressing it.

So shane yes 350 is my target... and 400 is the goal even if i never get there the fact of the matter is ill have something to aspire to. no point saying i want a turbo FTO and leaving it at that if you ask me.

[Myfeckin FTO]

Don't be hatin on a playa....ll.

Dawg - fo sho I'm not dissin his ride - I'm jus keepin it real!