FTO GPX VS. LANCER GSR???

[Ronanc]

Dont get me started on the civic sir lol, bag of crap!, dont handle for peanuts

[Muad_dib77]

Civics can't turn. They just don't steer.
If you drive them like """normal people""" do they're lovely cars.. very OAP friendly.

Doesn't matter what engine you but in it - the design is fundamentally flawed.

Mind you..they're great fun in a straight line.


***as always NOI!***

[Ronanc]

i took a sir for a spin up the dublin mountains and first corner i went in to, went in pretty hard, lifted off and the ar$e came out, the cyborg never came out like the sir did, unbeleivable 4 words **MITSI DOMINATE EVERY COMPETITOR**

[AL]

, glad to see we have a little difference in opinion over the sir vrs 1.6 mivec thingy, maybe we should have a separate link for this
, the mits cyborg and lancer MR both out perform the SIR handsdown,

dont get me wrong i like the civic sir alot, but ive driven all these cars, the youngest of my brothers had 3 SIR's ( a saloon and 2 hatchbacks ) i had a cyborg and Lancer MR , my other brother had a badly looked after MR, iironically that was the best to drive
it pained my baby bro to admit after many years of stubborn doubting, that both mits models are superior as in ( performance and handling ) lookswise i personally love all of the above model ( civics and mits )

[Ronanc]

lmao

[cpoh]

Lots of bs being floated around on this thread. This is my first post but I float on this site quite a bit as im thinking of buying a gpx fto next.

I own an SiR crx (essentially the same car as the civic but with 2 doors), it handles as well as any fwd car does, and just like the fto it doesnt fancy corners flat out because of the fwd set-up. Ive had my SiR dynoed twice both times coming out with 166bhp, on the same rolling road day a friend had his cyborg zr on the rollers come out at 155bhp. This isint uncommon for this car either, the rr technician said he'd had quite a few come inunder the factory spec figures.

Secondly you have reliability, the cyborg mivec engine is seriously flawed in that the vtec solenoid is placed inside the head and prone to failure. My friend got rid of his fella after forking out hundreds on repairs before he got sick of it.

I wouldnt underestimate SiR civics at all, especially the SiR-II with the lsd and integra type R gearbox, this car would be a match for all but the gpx, gpvr mivec fto's, and even then there wouldnt be a whole lot of difference real world wise between the two, and thats coming from first hand experience as my brother had a white 2L mivec fto before.

[Mustang]

Lots of bs being floated around on this thread. .

Well you are not shy anyway welcome to the forum CPOH.
Is that a mk2 CRX SiR (EF8)?

[AL]

welcome cpoh, cheers for adding your own brand of BS to this thread

[Myfeckin FTO]

Lots of bs being floated around on this thread.............

Welcome to the forum cpoh.
Thats quite an opening statement for your first post.

I have driven both cars as well and thought it was very close. However at a recent 1/4 mile event my FTO GPX was a full second faster to the 1/4 mile post than the couple of SiR's and Type R's and 1 CRX SiR that also ran. 0-60 times were quite similar (circa 6.5 secs) but the FTO ate them alive on top-end.

There was only one Mirage Mivec present (with this 1.6 Mivec engine type we are discussing) and it was actually quicker over the 1/4 mile than even my FTO.

I'm not disputing your rolling road figures but the Mivec engine could not have been in the best of health if that was its flywheel figure - it should be putting that figure out at the wheels. I have seen the same engine on dynos putting out close to quoted bhp - Ronans Mivec Colt put out 165BHP at the last RR in Enfield.

This is only my personal experience - Everyone is entitled to their opinion in terms of commenting on their experiences of the Mitsi Mivec or Honda Vtec cars. Both are great cars - no doubt - and I would say a lot comes down to how they have been maintained or modified.

BTW - this actually started out as an Mitsi FTO vs Mitsi GSR thread - don't know why we had to go discussing Hondas - this was allways gonna end up badly with some honda-head coming on to say that their Honda kicks Mitsi ass.

[cpoh]

Cheers for the welcome lads, wouldnt be looking for a mitsubishi if I thought all hondas kicked ass

Wouldnt usually post in a thread unless something got my goat up and sweeping statements like the cyborg out performs the SiR hands down are plain sily at best. The main difference between these cars is one word RELIABILITY. The B16 will go on for 200k with nothing more than a timing belt and distributer change and more often than not still come off the dyno with close enough to stock bhp figures, the cyborg just wont do that for you. Both cars have similar enough wheelbases and suspension set-up, how one car can outperform another in this area mystifies me, and both cars are fwd so no matter how great to drive will never perform as a rwd would.

Ive got an ef8 mk2 sir with the newer b16 engine conversion, definitely not as fast as the fto top end and it doesnt look as well as the fto either, one of the reasons im on the lookout for one! As they say there's no replacement for displacement, but the thing is its cheaper to run(parts petrol, tax), less to insure and as fast as the lesser model fto's.

As for the fto vs gsr, well the fto wins looks wise hands down, stock vs stock (having driven both) the fto would be quicker top end but the gsr is quicker off the mark with its 4wd system, its also much more tunable with the turbo. At the end of the day when im looking for a new car I take three things into consideration in this order Performance, Reliability, looks. The fto has two of these over the gsr, and the SiR crx has similar performance to the cyborg, is way more reliable and looks better imo. Having a fast car is one thing but living with it day to day is another, i know so many fellas who have had serious cars but just couldnt drive them every day without serious regular maintenance and lots of money to boot.

[Ronanc]

Welcome cpoh

[AL]

it was me who said the cyborg out performed the sir hands down, if you read back through the thread you will see the exact models i was talking about
mivec cyborg as in mirage hatchback & 1.6 lancer MR
civic SIR saloon and hatchback .

we all go on our rants , god knows ive had many a rant throughout these links ,lol. but ive two questions for you .

1/ did i mention the CRX anywhere ?????
2/ are you actually trying to convince people that the complete handling package ( as standard ) on the civics above is as good as the mits's above ?????

[cpoh]

To answer 1. no you didnt but the crx and civic are basically the exact same car, same engine, ecu and most suspension parts, brakes etc. so they essentially perfrom the same. 2. yes I am saying that the civic and cyborg handle pretty much the same, I cant for the life of me figure out how you come to the conclusion that one would out perform the other. Have you seen any of the best motoring videos where they actually race these cars on a track?

Im not having a rant at all my friend, just wondering how you come to the conclusion that one car could outperform another hands down when both cars have similar bhp, weight, suspension set-up and length of wheelbase, along with all the evidence to back up the fact that they are similar such as videos reviews etc?

Im not blind enough to think that honda make the best cars in the world, maybe you should have a similarily open mind about mitsubishi?

[soc]

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Im not having a rant at all my friend, just wondering how you come to the conclusion that one car could outperform another hands down when both cars have similar bhp, weight, suspension set-up and length of wheelbase, along with all the evidence to back up the fact that they are similar such as
videos reviews etc?

I'd say these differences of opinion stem from the fact different people will just get a different feel from a car and it's on this which they base their opinions... I mean look at Clarkeson - he picked the Ford GT over the Ferrari 430 - ummm, maybe he's a bad example cause he's a bit of an ar$e like that - but you get what I'm saying

FWIW, the first real performance car I drove was a mates 1990 CRX (back in 1998). It was lowered on 17's and felt really, really punchy...

I would admit though that I do sometimes dismiss cars out of hand based on stereotypes...... ah sure, each to their own and all that - isn't the important thing that we get enjoyment out of what we drive

[soc]

maybe he's a bad example cause he's a bit of an backside like

Hahahaha - can't believe ar$e was translated into "backside"......

[AL]

read my previous post Q 2??.......... did i mention anything about trackday, im sure most of these "great" videos dont have, many if any "standard" straight from factory setup cars, either hondas or mits,

and friend , i draw all my conclusions from actually driving these cars hondas and mits over last few years, i like MITS, yes ( not all them though ) im not anti HONDA, the opposite actually as im hoping to get a 02 type R integra DC5 in from japan early new year for myself

lets agree to disagree

[Ronanc]

rite AL your leaving the mitsi world, traitor! lol you will be back, they always come back, even myself lol

[AL]

no way ronanc, ive still got me 99 white gpx manual , wont sell that anytime soon, but i do love the new integra type r , it will be a toss up between that and an S2000 ( both hondas !!!! )

[Ronanc]

well to be honest I would go for the S2000, the DC5 is a sweet machine but wouldnt you want to expeirence RWD?

[AL]

ronanc, ive experience RWD a few times YES INDEED!!

i also drive a black 00 toyota MRS, only 140bhp, but a nice tight car to drive , if i cant sell it soon, im going to get TTE to turbo the engine to 191+bhp, they stated 0-60mph in 5.9sec, but can be tweeked to come in at very low 5.2sec or so im told? will have to check into that one