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Postby CJ » Tue Aug 09, 2005 11:23 am

Is it just me thats never happy with my FTO?
Am I the only one that keeps hearing and spotting things that need fixing? Am I the only one that drives down the road with my head out of the window to determine if the newest little scaping noise is coming from the front brakes? Am I the only one that keeps turning down the stereo becase I thought I heard a knock from the front suspension?

On the opposing front, a lot of use are driving around in 10/11 year old cars and the fact is that bits need replacing at this stage. I've lost count of the amount of time I've spent on fixing the nitty gritty things and then something else crops up the next day.

Couple of things that are doing my head in at the minute are:

Minor damage on nearside rear wing and offside drivers door / quarter panel
Noise coming from nearside rear of the car when turning right
Front brakes making noise (its a tip, get over it!)
Steering feels a little too tight for my liking
Cam carrier seal leaking

I appreciate that I might be a little neurotic but tell me I'm not alone in my madness! :smt104
Don't get me wrong, I still enjoy my FTO, in fact I think I enjoy it too much hence the neurosis!

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Postby Myfeckin FTO » Tue Aug 09, 2005 12:49 pm

I have a constant wishlist that gets added to by the day.

A lot of what I have done could be called preventative maintenance -
for example within the last year I have changed 3 belts, 6 Denso plugs, Clutch, Greenstuff pads (2 sets on front),all fluids changed, 4 oil & filter changes, front and rear droplinks & ARB bushes, Front Suspension front and rear bushes (Poly with extra castor) , rear trailing arm bushes, rear outer and inner arm bushes,Track rods, boot kit, KYB Dampers and Apex springs and a left rear wheel bearing.

And thats before the list of other cosmetic and performance mods such as 3 trips to the bodyshop for blended DC skirts, TM front and Hiro rear - ITG filter, decat stainless exhaust, front strut brace, stainless slam panel as well as interior mods such as Isotta steering wheel, gear shift and handbrake, stainless steel dials and various other bits and bobs such as powder coated wheels, painted calipers etc.

Much of the maintenance stuff I had done did not need to be done - if you took a reactionary approach to the maintenance of the FTO and fix bits as they needed to be fixed then it would certainly not cost a lot - but this would reduce my enjoyment of the car.

What is scaring me a little though is the thoughts of buying another FTO when I sell this one and have to go through the same thing again - It would be a pain in the ass to change from a 95 GPX and find that the 99 GPvR you just bought was not in as good a nick as the car you just sold for half the price. :smt090
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Postby kevinod » Tue Aug 09, 2005 1:23 pm

I've been building up a never ending wish list myself, despite trying not to. Not to say that if I didn't change anything on the car I wouldn't be happy with it, but there is room for enhancement at the same time.

Not too neurotic, I still keep an ear open for whats happening but I'm not finding too much that needs to be fixed from day to day.

I think the one thing I'm doing that'll make a big difference at the moment is Jay's facelift light pods, arrived yesterday! Once I get my hands on the lights I'll be looking to get them on there, and that should really update the front of the car.

Getting bits and pieces off the wish list as I go along, fitted steel braided brake hoses last weekend (those spring clips can be feicers to put on, especially at the back where you don't have room to mess around with), so the one other thing I'd like to do with the brakes for the moment is grooved discs.
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Postby Myfeckin FTO » Tue Aug 09, 2005 2:09 pm

kevinod wrote:..............I think the one thing I'm doing that'll make a big difference at the moment is Jay's facelift light pods, ...fitted steel braided brake hoses ................ the one other thing I'd like to do with the brakes for the moment is grooved discs.




AHHH! Facelift lightpods, braided hoses and drilled front discs - another 3 things to add to my wish list! :smt099
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Postby kevinod » Tue Aug 09, 2005 2:21 pm

:lol: thought you'd have those done long ago! :wink:
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Postby Myfeckin FTO » Tue Aug 09, 2005 2:27 pm

kevinod wrote::lol: thought you'd have those done long ago! :wink:


:oops: Tried to come up with a solution to the Facelift lights previously and failed - Haven't done the braided hoses cause I was waiting to change the discs to drilled first - but my standard GPX Calipers with the greeenstuff are actually in very good nick so other things have taken priority.

One of these days I'll look at the car - and I'll be happy - till then I've a list to get through.
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Postby Neil » Tue Aug 09, 2005 8:20 pm

Seems like so long ago when I first found this site saying I had a budget of 6.5k (including the car!) and its only been 6 months now n ive more than doubled my original (admittedly fairly conservative) estimate! Drilled discs, 17s, tayo t1s, topmix front, facelift lightholes, facelift lights, lowering springs, itg filter, vr spoiler??, etcetc - it never ends :shock: !!
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Postby PT FTO » Tue Aug 09, 2005 8:22 pm

Myfeckin FTO wrote:
A lot of what I have done could be called preventative maintenance -
for example within the last year I have changed 3 belts, 6 Denso plugs, Clutch, Greenstuff pads (2 sets on front),all fluids changed, 4 oil & filter changes, front and rear droplinks & ARB bushes, Front Suspension front and rear bushes (Poly with extra castor) , rear trailing arm bushes, rear outer and inner arm bushes,Track rods, boot kit, KYB Dampers and Apex springs and a left rear wheel bearing.

And thats before the list of other cosmetic and performance mods such as 3 trips to the bodyshop for blended DC skirts, TM front and Hiro rear - ITG filter, decat stainless exhaust, front strut brace, stainless slam panel as well as interior mods such as Isotta steering wheel, gear shift and handbrake, stainless steel dials and various other bits and bobs such as powder coated wheels, painted calipers etc.

. :smt090


MyfFTO, you seriously have too much time on your hands and too much money to play with :shock: . Do I think you're mad and neurotic........yes, am I jealous....hmm, don't know :?: .
Don't think I could justify doing all that to a 10/11 year old car. Don't get me wrong, I love the FTO and am still delighted that I finally got one but I have not done anything to it and at the moment have no plans to do so either. I'm just loving driving it as it is. I will be at the meet this week with my pretty much standard car. Will I feel inferior when I see all these modded FTO's....no!
Each to their own but IMO there's more to life than plowing all your hard earned into a car. Sorry if I offended anyone :smt056 , not intended to :smt087 . Am I weird or is there anyone else that agress with me
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Postby CJ » Tue Aug 09, 2005 8:37 pm

PT FTO wrote:Each to their own but IMO there's more to life than plowing all your hard earned into a car. Sorry if I offended anyone :smt056 , not intended to :smt087 . Am I weird or is there anyone else that agress with me


No, I don't think you're offending anyone PT and I don't think you're wierd either, in a way, I'd like to have your outlook and to hell with all this car business! That said, their are people out there who are passionate about their motors to the extent that they spend a lot of time, effort and cash on something that gets you from A to B in most peoples eyes. Consider it an expensive hobby, without it, there would be no FTO-Ireland and we wouldn't be having this conversation ;) I think that someone who spends heaps of time on their car would most likely find some other persuit to drive their expendable income into if they never had the the car to begin with. Am I compulsive? Yes I am! Is MfFTO compulsive? I think he might be but that up to him to own up to ;) Draw your own conclusions on Saturday but keep your eye on your car, we'll have a version-R spoiler on it before you can say Mongoose stainless steel exhaust!

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Postby Daz » Tue Aug 09, 2005 9:20 pm

Wow did everyone forget to take the blue pills today :smt009

Seriously thou i'm glad i wasn't on line earlier than now cus my rant on this subject would have went on and on and on...on...on...on...on..........

But a short 2p on this subject is this. each to there own, i'm not even going to go into the £££££ (soz no euro symbol) iv'e spent over the years, i did it because i wanted to nothing more i wanted to change the cars appearence to give it a small bit of indviduality (lasted all of two minutes after i won JAE after 6 months you could actually buy my kit as a whole even thou it was 3 seperate kits :evil: ) but did i ever regret doing it no....well no untill now when i go to sell her, i ain't going to get what it's worth but we all know that when we mod our p&j

yes some want to leave it as standard, and i respect that a good friend of mine samantha has owned a gs for about 7 years now and she has not changed one thing and it looks fantastic. look even at jj's car standard for the last 7 years and still looks great.

Yes some owners like myself can be accused of going ott with body work and add on's some of us even change the droplinks every time the slightest noise comes from them. i respect that too.

The only thing i don't respect is someone slagging another persone off for modding or not modding there cars, at the end of the day it's down to personal choice, were here to help one another with any issues that may arise, thats what a club so to speak is all about. I'm not saying that this has happened here afterall it was cj giving out to himself :smt084 (maybe the green pills tomorrow bud lol :smt046 ) it's just i wouldn't want this website/club go the way some of the English sites went a couple of years back with the the bitchyness/fighting and slagging off.

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Postby steelroe » Tue Aug 09, 2005 10:30 pm

Getting back to CJ original point I am exactly the same, have lots of rattles and sqeeks. No soon do I sort some of them out and my head is out the window thinking I can hear something new.

That being said the FTo was probably never a quiet car on the interior anyway. Every bump and howl of wind can be felt and heard.
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Postby PT FTO » Tue Aug 09, 2005 10:31 pm

Daz wrote:Wow did everyone forget to take the blue pills today :smt009



The only thing i don't respect is someone slagging another persone off for modding or not modding there cars, at the end of the day it's down to personal choice, were here to help one another with any issues that may arise, thats what a club so to speak is all about. I'm not saying that this has happened here afterall it was cj giving out to himself :smt084 (maybe the green pills tomorrow bud lol :smt046 ) it's just i wouldn't want this website/club go the way some of the English sites went a couple of years back with the the bitchyness/fighting and slagging off.

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Ok not so short once i got started :oops: but just my 2p



Whooa... I didn't mean to slag anyone off and if it came over that way then I apologise. suppose I was just trying to say that some people don't have the inclination or more importantly money to do all the mods that are out there to their P & J. Sometimes I just get the feeling that there is some sort of competition ongoing to out-do each other. This is only my humble opinion and is probably b****x anyway so just ignore this old git who waffles on now and again :smt102
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Postby Daz » Wed Aug 10, 2005 8:33 am

PT FTO wrote:

Whooa... I didn't mean to slag anyone off and if it came over that way then I apologise.


For starters PT calm down :smt015 :smt033 (ok the scouse is coming back out now that i'm going back :) ) I wasn't having a go at you i wasn't having a go at anyone, trust me if i was then i would have said directly, so there would be no confusion, i'm honest somtimes to the point of being brutal (which isn't always a good thing. example me answering agents s's question on female members me giving an honest answer and being sent to the corner for being bold by cj :smt084 :smt044 i didn't take offence to it but instead realised it maybe wasn't worded correctly or i didn't get myself across well..fair enough.) but i was just saying i can see things creaping in not just on this thread but in others like the "whats it worth" thread for example(i just picked that as it is the most recent other niggley thread not for any paticular reason).I know from the experience of the English sites threads will spirial out of control if not nipped in the butt now, yes we can all put the NOI in it i do it myself its just that if someone says things enough times to the same person and uses the NOI or what not, from what happened on the English sites eventually that person will think that they are being picked on. i stress THIS ISN'T HAPPENING HERE YET!!!! FROM ANYONE I just don't want to see it happening here and ruining what a great thing we have going here,Personaly i'll do anything i can to help anyone if i can all they need to do is ask, if i have something they need to borrow/use/have its thiers if i don't need it and their are many others who will do the same on this site and thats what makes it great. If you felt i was singeling you out it was not my intention to do so, but i can't know how you or anyone else is going to react to what i say, the worst thing is i now realise that with me being honest all the time i could end up being the worst offender of what i want to stop and for that i thank you for bring it to my attention, i will try to sugar coat what i have to say from now on but i ain't promising anything :smt025

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Postby Myfeckin FTO » Wed Aug 10, 2005 9:47 am

PT FTO wrote:MyfFTO, you seriously have too much time on your hands and too much money to play with :shock: . Do I think you're mad and neurotic........yes, am I jealous....hmm, don't know :?: .
Don't think I could justify doing all that to a 10/11 year old car.


I think Mad and Neurotic is a bit strong PT
Some people spend big money on a new car and loose 30% of the value in the first year - Is that mad and neurotic?
I had previously gone down the road of spending 35K on newish sports cars and not modding but when I sold my last car I decided to go back to the FTO (I had one previously which I had kept bog standard) - so I imported an FTO for 8.5K FTO and decided that I would spend a few extra quid on it and get the enjoyment of modding the car to my individual taste. Its a hobby and I spend money on it like I spend money on my diving hobby (which can be far more expensive) - and how I spend my expendable income is really my choice - If I want to spend money on a 10year old car to make it drive like a 2 year old car because I like the car then thats my call also - it makes sense to me and thats all that matters.

Equally I can see the reasoning behind just buying an FTO and not spending any money on it beyond simple maintenance - and I have the utmost respect for anyone with this opinion - I just think maybe you need to revise yours a little. :|
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Postby CJ » Wed Aug 10, 2005 9:55 am

Lads, we're going off on a tangent on this particular topic and I'm probably not helping helping with this reply but it has to be said that everyone is entitled to their own opinion and at the end of the day thats what a forum is all about, airing your views. I certainly don't take offence at what PT said and I'm sure no one else does. We've always had a good natured attitude on this forum and I don't see it changing in the future. You get the odd crossed wire here and there which is only to be expected given the communication medium, that aside, lets keep doing what we've been doing all along - talking about FTOs, having the craic and talking the odd bit of shyte! Lets leave it there....

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Postby kevinod » Wed Aug 10, 2005 9:56 am

I think PT has been a bit misunderstood on this thread, I don't think he meant any offense or was having a go at anyone, he was just saying he wouldn't do it himself.

I can understand the point of view, bought my last 2 cars new, and was very happy with the way they were so left them standard. Of course a lack of faith in my car maintaining abilities was also a contributory factor in that!

Part of my own reason for buying the FTO was so I could learn more about the mechanical side of it, do the work myself, etc. which has of course was the path to the 'modding side'. :wink:

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Postby Dave » Wed Aug 10, 2005 10:11 am

i take offence!!!! :evil:

ah only kidding!!! :wink:
i really wish i had PT's point of view too, but as CJ said it is a hobby and it's something i enjoy doing so regardless of what anyone says i'll still happily "plough" any spare cash into my car, i take pride in it as do many other owners!

just back to point of the thread, yes i have so much stuff that annoys me and needs sorting on the car, and yes i do find myself turning down the radio to listen for strange noises!!
just this morning, the front splitter came loose and was dragging on the ground!! (hence me looking for that new facelift bozz)


Wish list;
Carbon Bonnet (on the way hopefully)
Facelift Bozz & Halo's maybe some DC skirts, (reserving judgement till i see MyfFTO's) :wink:
Full respray
Turbo.......turbo......turbo!!
suspension, all round!!!
Stereo (Sorted, just bought an 8400 off ebay)
Brakes (got the brembo's sitting at home)


oh, did i mention............................. TURBO???? :smt112
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Postby kevinod » Wed Aug 10, 2005 10:25 am

Wishlist....

- 17" alloys
- facelift lights (have pods, ordered halo spots, just need indicators & to get pods blended in)
- carputer (motherboard, hard drive, dvd drive already sourced, need case, power supply, lcd touch screen)
- better aerial, using the rear window at the moment, not great...
- hand brake handle cover (have leather, need the metal part)
- HID lights
- grooved front discs, maybe ventilated rear discs?

long term:
- brembos
- carbon bonnet + bootlid

No doubt I've forgot a few bits but thats the bones of it at the moment... ask me again after the meet on Saturday!
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Postby Daz » Wed Aug 10, 2005 10:48 am

CJ wrote:Lads, we're going off on a tangent on this particular topic and I'm probably not helping helping with this reply but it has to be said that everyone is entitled to their own opinion and at the end of the day thats what a forum is all about, airing your views. I certainly don't take offence at what PT said and I'm sure no one else does. We've always had a good natured attitude on this forum and I don't see it changing in the future. You get the odd crossed wire here and there which is only to be expected given the communication medium, that aside, lets keep doing what we've been doing all along - talking about FTOs, having the craic and talking the odd bit of shyte! Lets leave it there....

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ere ere!!! :smt038 ya see this is sort of what i ment, i just don't do the written word very well.. enough said before i ruin it :smt021 . cheers cj.

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Postby agent s » Wed Aug 10, 2005 11:39 am

Daz wrote:i'm honest somtimes to the point of being brutal (which isn't always a good thing. example me answering agents s's question on female members me giving an honest answer and being sent to the corner for being bold by cj :smt084 :smt044 i didn't take offence to it but instead realised it maybe wasn't worded correctly or i didn't get myself across well..fair enough.)
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When did that happen?!

Who cares what other people spend on their cars? Some people spend crazy amounts of money so they can play golf, some on collectable items, & I'm sure more than one of you guys has a girlfriend with a shopping 'hobby'! So whatever :roll: Just as long as no-one get hurt - lets all have fun :twisted:

My list is already as long as the total amount of wiring in my fto :( - for starters I have to get the bloody thing serviced, already upgraded alarm to keep him all safe, need alloys, getting quotes on a non-leather interior (not that into leather myself), not to mention lowering/putting the spoiler on/induction kit/scratches etc!! THEN I'll worry about the little noises - lucky you CJ :shock: :D :wink: !!

Must go back now & see what Daz said so I can kick him in his nuts on Saturday... :smt021 ........................ :wink: .......................
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Postby Daz » Wed Aug 10, 2005 12:35 pm

agent s wrote:
When did that happen?! .........................................................

Must go back now & see what Daz said so I can kick him in his nuts on Saturday... :smt021 ........................ :wink: .......................


Oops :oops: i should have left well enough alone doh!! check out this thread to see what i ment http://www.fto-ireland.com/forum/phpBB2 ... 02&start=0
and also a pm "got my baby back" also explaing something but sent privately incase it didn't come accross right again (need smiley with big foot in mouth :) )

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Postby Daz » Wed Aug 10, 2005 12:39 pm

agent s wrote:
getting quotes on a non-leather interior (not that into leather myself),


:smt012 :smt079 :!: :!: i'll believe ya :twisted:

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Postby agent s » Wed Aug 10, 2005 1:54 pm

:smt089 Daz was mean to me!!!!!!

Haha! Yea not that into leather in cars! Unless it's cream/white in a jeep or summit. Want suede or vinyl I think! Just got a quote of £950 for suede... so should have that fitted for 2011 :shock: Stupid cars & their stupid expences... should have bought an Uno!

Eh Daz, that cup isn't going to help you now :twisted:
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Postby PT FTO » Wed Aug 10, 2005 2:24 pm

Sorry, :smt010 , I feel that I was the cause of this and I apologise. Looking back my choice of text was not good and did not reflect what I was trying to get across. Daz, ur right, sometimes the written word does get misconstrued.......where did that word come from :!: , did I even spell it right????

MyfFTO, I only picked up on the 'neurotic' word from CJ's original post, wasn't aimed at you specifically, apologies :oops: .

I can't believe I'm going paintballing with you guys on Saturday. My ass is toast after this thread :smt068 :smt100 ..........Please don't shoot me too much :smt089

Yes, everyone is right in what they say. What people do with their time and money is their privilage. Maybe the fact that now I have 3 childers my means and views have changed. Looking back, yes a few years ago, ok more than a few!, I most likley would have modded the car up as much as I could as well, so again if I have caused any offence to anyone feel free to shoot me on Saturday, but you can be sure I will be shooting back :smt019
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Postby Dave » Wed Aug 10, 2005 2:28 pm

ah now that's the spirit!!! :smt068

pity i won't be able to make the paintballing!!
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