My 6a12 Turbo Project AKA “Project Panda” conversion in full

[d_dan]

What wheels are you going for then ? Something to match the CF ?

Nope keeping the white ones.for the road and iv a set of enkies for the track for them then

[d_dan]

A few quick vids of the car in motion

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bat8YBxPf9g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yivpYLZ1Ehw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PMpupZcJHY

[colm_mcm]

Can't tell too much from the vids there, is it a lot faster than the standard GPX?

any ideas on 0-60 etc?

[d_dan]

It feels a hell of alot faster, after 3 rpm theres a hugh difference.
no 0-60 time as i said shes ideling rough down low

[Kace]

Looks like it's getting up through the revs quicker anyway.

[gary d]

Anyone else not able to click onto Dan's video links? What should I search under in U tube to see these clips?
I wanna see.

[Bernard]

Anyone else not able to click onto Dan's video links? What should I search under in U tube to see these clips?
I wanna see.

Have you tried copying and pasting?

[d_dan]

post with vids updated

[Myfeckin FTO]

........Was due to go back over to their meet at Japshow and do a few 1/4 mile run's But iv had to but this off as im rebuilding my bottom block with forged internals.........

Presume this is on the white FTO.
If so - how come you're going to the trouble (not to mention enormous expense) of forged internals - surely theres a lot more to be done with regard to the turbo set-up before you go down this road? Forged internals are hardly neccessary untill you start running big boost and chasing 300bhp +

I thought you had sent off the white FTO to be mapped? Whats the spec so far?(fuel pump?, FRP?,injectors?, ECU?) Plans to upgrade the oil pan and feed? What forged internals are available for the GPX block?

[d_dan]

The FTO made 7.8PSI at 4500RPM
Sadly I dont have the cap mapped after 5k RPM as when I decompressed the heads I threw out the camshaft timing too much in the front bank.

In regards to you commend on power being 300+ would be achievable at 8psi. But relyability may become an issue.
Also I have secured a supplier & company who can make/supply to order conrods & pistons at a very competitive price along with piston spec to order.

The spec as it stands is
6x 440cc injectors
1x aditional injector @440cc (standalone not needed)
Walbro 255LPH fuel pump
Greddy emanage blue (will be upgrading to standalone ECU upon completion of bottom end build completion)
Sard FPR
alloy head gasket shims plates,
Custom manifolds,
custom downpipes,
decat,
5zigen pro racer exhaust
IHI rh5f turbo
Blitz supersonic air filter,
Blitz FMIC
custom hardpiping

Then the usual toys,
HKS turbo timer,
Blitz DSBC
HKS SQBV
HKS additional injector controller.

Then iv added some new handeling mods and replaced a few parts

[Myfeckin FTO]

Thats an impressive looking engine spec - what power was that turbo putting out then before you went to work on the internals? What do you expect when its finished?

(Sorry for going OT on a For sale post - mods might want to split to separate D-Dan turbo thread).

[d_dan]

throw it into m,y project thread maybe. i dont have a printout for anything but would have expected 300-310BHP
considering that a 6psi FTO setup will make 270bhp.

Im not going for much more than 300 BHP as I feel it will be too much power for a FF car to get down.
With a standalone ill have 3 maps which is the max some of the ones I was looking at will hold.

Economic (NCT friendly)
Standard(good power maximum response)
Track (maximum power)

[Myfeckin FTO]

........ i dont have a printout for anything but would have expected 300-310BHP
considering that a 6psi FTO setup will make 270bhp.

Im not going for much more than 300 BHP as I feel it will be too much power for a FF car to get down.
With a standalone ill have 3 maps which is the max some of the ones I was looking at will hold.

...............

Surely you have a dyno printout from when you originally mapped the fueling on the FTO with all these parts as listed above for the new turbo set-up? Otherwise the FTO would have been undriveable.

If you currently have 300-310bhp running reliably and don't want much more power - then why the expense of changing to uprated internals?

What tuner were you using for the mapping? Would you recommend them? Any issues at all?

Really looking forward to seeing a rolling road printout for this FTO and especially seeing it on a drag strip.

[d_dan]

as above the car isnt mapped after 5k RPM as all the cams have to be dialled in as the timing is different between the 2 banks.

So I have no printout.

Also the Emanage had a map on it when I got it so the car drove and idled but not perfectly.

I used TDP which I think Im probably not going to go back to.
Robbie is the best of the best but he really doesnt give a fiddlers.

My firt prefference was to bring the car to Westward Eng. as in my personal oppinion Martin is the best in the country.
I might build the bottom block bring it to CDA to do some grunt work on it making sure everything and the setup is 100% and then bring it to either TDP or AI autosport up north

[CJ]

Posts from for sale thread merged into this thread, please keep it on topic guys -CJ

[Muad_dib77]

There's some pistons and rods avail from Wossener whoever they are... could be worth looking into Dan..

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/WOSSENER-PISTONS- ... 286.c0.m14

[Dave]

I got CDA to do a bit of work for me on the Zed in February and they were excellent, I tried getting it into Westward, but Martin didn't seem to be really bothered either, I got very little info off him and he generally just seemed to lack any interest in doing it for me! Nick on the other hand did genuinely seem interested, gave some really good advice and did a top job, all for a reasonable amount of money too!! I think Shane can confirm that the Zed really does perform very well and has a really good map!

[Myfeckin FTO]

........I used TDP which I think Im probably not going to go back to.
Robbie is the best of the best but he really doesnt give a fiddlers.

............I might build the bottom block bring it to CDA to do some grunt work on it making sure everything and the setup is 100% and then bring it to either TDP or AI autosport up north

Not sure what you mean by TDP - if you had the FTO in with them for so long - how come Robbie didn't map your turbo FTO?
What problems were there?

As per Dave CDA did an excellent job mapping the Zed - that was clear from the last dyno done with West Coast Performance - they were very complimentary about the mapping and set-up.

[d_dan]

Not sure what you mean by TDP - if you had the FTO in with them for so long - how come Robbie didn't map your turbo FTO?
What problems were there?

As per Dave CDA did an excellent job mapping the Zed - that was clear from the last dyno done with West Coast Performance - they were very complimentary about the mapping and set-up.

the longest the car was there for was 2 days,
1st time (when seb seen me); refused as wheel bearing was on the way out.
2nd time, an oil leak developed.
then I did a complete wire tuck and plumbing relocation,
3rd time we discovered the front bank timing was off my too much to bring the car any higher than 5k in the rev's
and needed standard cam's to dial in the new vernier ones.
4th time he got the car went to dial them in and heard a rattle, and wants me to check out the big end bearings and crank to see if everything is ok, (remove sump, camshaft cover, and then unbolt bottom of conrods. ordering new ones tomorrow just to be sure) but iv decided not to bring the car back to them untill iv done the bottom end rebuild.

So as it stands its just a tidier version of what it was 2 months ago but im out of pocket about €1000

[Dave]

Thing is CDA would have done that work for you, yes you might have had to pay them, but it would probably be done and dusted now, they more or less took the whole supercharger system apart on the Zed, tidied everything up and put it all back in, just to make sure it was all running as it should be!!

[d_dan]

yea I head they have the interest in that scence

[Myfeckin FTO]

............
1st time (when seb seen me); refused as wheel bearing was on the way out.
2nd time, an oil leak developed.
then I did a complete wire tuck and plumbing relocation,
3rd time we discovered the front bank timing was off my too much to bring the car any higher than 5k in the rev's
and needed standard cam's to dial in the new vernier ones.
4th time he got the car went to dial them in and heard a rattle, and wants me to check out the big end bearings and crank to see if everything is ok, (remove sump, camshaft cover, and then unbolt bottom of conrods. ordering new ones tomorrow just to be sure) but iv decided not to bring the car back to them untill iv done the bottom end rebuild.........

Considering all the above issues you have had (as well as never getting a dyno printout) how can you claim that your FTO ever had 300bhp?

...........i dont have a printout for anything but would have expected 300-310BHP
considering that a 6psi FTO setup will make 270bhp....

My original comment from Aug 08 still stands - if you get this working and I get to see dyno printouts for 275-300bhp and 1/4 mile times then I'll be the first to congratulate you (I'll even bake you a cake with the F*ckin cherry on top) - in the meantime you'll have to excuse me if I seem a little "doubting Thomas" about claims of 300bhp et al.

Aug 15th 2008.Just finalising details on the ukftooc

should hopefully have some new stuff for the car by mid/ end of next month.

resulting in a TURBO gpx fto by the end of september.
pushing 275bhp @ .85 bar and up to 300bhp running at 1 bar(calling for new internals)

Aug 15th 2008
I for one will give you a big bun (with a cherry on top) if you can get a GPX turbo successfully running (without blowing up) to 275bhp-300bhp.

Thats a project and a half Dan - good luck!

[Dave]

............
1st time (when seb seen me); refused as wheel bearing was on the way out.
2nd time, an oil leak developed.
then I did a complete wire tuck and plumbing relocation,
3rd time we discovered the front bank timing was off my too much to bring the car any higher than 5k in the rev's
and needed standard cam's to dial in the new vernier ones.
4th time he got the car went to dial them in and heard a rattle, and wants me to check out the big end bearings and crank to see if everything is ok, (remove sump, camshaft cover, and then unbolt bottom of conrods. ordering new ones tomorrow just to be sure) but iv decided not to bring the car back to them untill iv done the bottom end rebuild.........

Considering all the above issues you have had (as well as never getting a dyno printout) how can you claim that your FTO ever had 300bhp?

...........i dont have a printout for anything but would have expected 300-310BHP
considering that a 6psi FTO setup will make 270bhp....

My original comment from Aug 08 still stands - if you get this working and I get to see dyno printouts for 275-300bhp and 1/4 mile times then I'll be the first to congratulate you (I'll even bake you a cake with the F*ckin cherry on top) - in the meantime you'll have to excuse me if I seem a little "doubting Thomas" about claims of 300bhp et al.

Aug 15th 2008.Just finalising details on the ukftooc

should hopefully have some new stuff for the car by mid/ end of next month.

resulting in a TURBO gpx fto by the end of september.
pushing 275bhp @ .85 bar and up to 300bhp running at 1 bar(calling for new internals)

Aug 15th 2008
I for one will give you a big bun (with a cherry on top) if you can get a GPX turbo successfully running (without blowing up) to 275bhp-300bhp.

Thats a project and a half Dan - good luck!

You said a 6psi FTO will make 270bhp, but above you said a .85 bar will do it, .85 bar is 12psi or there about!! So which is it?

[finers]

Hey lads maybe i'm way off but whats with he hangin Dan day....again ,, didn't see him definitely claiming the power outputs? seems guestamating, dnt kno why people give a fiddlers , when he gets the print out i'm sure he'll post em up, i kno he doesnt need any1 fighting his corner dnt even kno de guy but it's getin a bit old analysing everything Dan has been sayin, even if some of the stuff may have been a bit unbelievable to most

Dnt grill me

[d_dan]

I never said what power the car was. As above I said I would have expected 300-310BHP

Bishi's car & lil red's FTO's both run 6psi and make 270BHP @ 6psi
My fto made 0.53 BAR at 4500 RPM which is working out at a little over 7.5 psi

They are the facts and proven facts. And as I said I would expect 300-310 BHP