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Postby Muad_dib77 » Tue Jun 10, 2008 9:15 am

Hi guys,

With the price on conversion kits coming down and the price on petrol going up I'm putting some serious thought into getting a "flexi fuel" kit installed.

A crucial part of the process though is to know the cost of e85 though. Does anybody know if there's a "price watch" type site that will show the current prices of e85?
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Postby d_dan » Tue Jun 10, 2008 10:37 am

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Postby Muad_dib77 » Tue Jun 10, 2008 11:14 am

thanks Dan.
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Postby Mustang » Tue Jun 10, 2008 1:14 pm

here you go http://www.pumps.ie/index.php
no mention of E85 though.
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Postby Mickthepieman » Tue Jun 10, 2008 1:24 pm

Try this site http://www.emo.ie/products/e85.html

What would it cost to convert over to E85 and is it a big job
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Postby Muad_dib77 » Tue Jun 10, 2008 2:16 pm

Mickthepieman wrote:Try this site http://www.emo.ie/products/e85.html

What would it cost to convert over to E85 and is it a big job


It'll cost between 300 and 600e.. installation is dead simple.. provided you're going for a converter kit..

I've made this quick little sheet..

Update the figures at the top and calculations and the graph will adjust accordingly.

e85.xls

file is available for the next 89 days..


Here's an installation video

http://tw.youtube.com/watch?v=IWNOiQQV_ ... re=related

Now - keep in mind you'd need to find a kit with the right connections..
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Postby mcgon1979 » Tue Jun 10, 2008 2:31 pm

It's 25% cheaper, but 25% less fuel economy or something like that right? anyone have the figures for how the MPG compares?
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Postby Muad_dib77 » Tue Jun 10, 2008 2:39 pm

mcgon1979 wrote:It's 25% cheaper, but 25% less fuel economy or something like that right? anyone have the figures for how the MPG compares?


I've heard that somewhere else - but that's not what I've seen with e5 over standard petrol..

Here's an article on it...

http://www.agriculture.com/ag/story.jht ... 565893.xml

loads more if you google it..
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Postby mcgon1979 » Tue Jun 10, 2008 2:46 pm

yeah, E5 drop in mpg would be unnoticeable really. It's only 5% ethanol. E85 is 85% ethanol. ethanol is less calorific than petrol. less energy from the same volume. but higher octane rating.
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Postby Muad_dib77 » Tue Jun 10, 2008 2:49 pm

uhm yeah true true..

Looks like there might be a drop of 20-30% mileage wise according to the various articles. I guess if that is the case from a financial point of view you'd end up pretty much where you're left with e5 seeing as you'd need to refuel more often.
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Postby Wildhound » Tue Jun 10, 2008 2:57 pm

E5 actually increases your fuel economy because it's higher octane than the standard muck we get here and thus burns more completely, realeasing more energy.

However because ethanol has lower energy content than petrol, as you increase the percentage the fuel economy begins to fall.
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Postby Mustang » Tue Jun 10, 2008 4:09 pm

Muad_dib77 wrote:Here's an installation video

http://tw.youtube.com/watch?v=IWNOiQQV_ ... re=related

Now - keep in mind you'd need to find a kit with the right connections..

Looks suspiciously easy. There's a guy in the Nissan SX owners club, who remapped his car to run on E85 (only). Some massive bhp >300bhp. But Ithink he also had to change injectors and possibly the fuel pump.
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Postby Muad_dib77 » Tue Jun 10, 2008 4:15 pm

Mustang wrote:
Muad_dib77 wrote:Here's an installation video

http://tw.youtube.com/watch?v=IWNOiQQV_ ... re=related

Now - keep in mind you'd need to find a kit with the right connections..

Looks suspiciously easy. There's a guy in the Nissan SX owners club, who remapped his car to run on E85 (only). Some massive bhp >300bhp. But Ithink he also had to change injectors and possibly the fuel pump.


Yeah he went for the full power conversion (it was JP or something right? Red Jobbie I think).. Afaik he had the power fc commander and a full map set up. That car would only run on e85.. but it was da bomb so to speak...
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Postby d_dan » Wed Jun 11, 2008 12:54 am

e 85 is 120 odd octaine, its fecking rocket fuel compaired ot what the sell you in your local esso
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Postby Muad_dib77 » Wed Jun 11, 2008 8:43 am

d_dan wrote:e 85 is 120 odd octaine, its fecking rocket fuel compaired ot what the sell you in your local esso


Sorry dan..but no..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E85

Octane rating is 104-105ish...

http://www.maxol.ie/index2.php?option=c ... df=1&id=22
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Postby Muad_dib77 » Wed Jun 11, 2008 10:44 am

steelroe wrote:http://tw.youtube.com/watch?v=aO2gIeB02d4&amp;feature=related


yeah saw that - very good.

quite odd though - apparently one of the guys in the sxoc filled his 200sx went for a drive and langered his engine..
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Postby Mustang » Wed Jun 18, 2008 9:42 am

d_dan wrote:84 cents

Maud,
As stated above Emo are now selling E85 I passed one of their station over the weekend. €1.17 per litre.
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Postby Muad_dib77 » Wed Jun 18, 2008 10:22 am

Mustang wrote:
d_dan wrote:84 cents

Maud,
As stated above Emo are now selling E85 I passed one of their station over the weekend. €1.17 per litre.


Wow that's somewhat of a price hike isn't it?
Somebody told me 95cents just the other day..

Man, I wish there was some way of tracking this..
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Postby Mustang » Wed Jun 18, 2008 10:27 am

Muad_dib77 wrote:
Mustang wrote:
d_dan wrote:84 cents

Maud,
As stated above Emo are now selling E85 I passed one of their station over the weekend. €1.17 per litre.


Wow that's somewhat of a price hike isn't it?
Somebody told me 95cents just the other day..

Man, I wish there was some way of tracking this..

I live very close to a maxol station but their billboard only seems to have two inserts, so they aonly advertise the unleaded E5 and diesel. You don't find out the price of the E85 until you lift the hose.
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Postby Mustang » Thu Jun 26, 2008 5:02 pm

Maud,
Just to update this (the EMO price I gave above doesn't seem to make sence -too high for E85, too low for unleaded). :roll:
Anyway called into my local maxol last night. and checked the price of E85 at the pump. 97.9 cent per litre.
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