6A12 turbos / 6A13TT transplants

[colm_mcm]

TOPIC SPLIT


The turbocharged setup will undoubtedly be quicker than a standard FTO, there are already some imperssive times put down by site members like Myfeckin and Muad using standard GPXs.

No handbags George, sorry

[Sebastian]

I never said my car was fast as far as i remember.
Iv always gone with power in the car,

don't get me wrong dan .. i'm sure it's deffo faster then mine and a few around . i just wanted to see the results of your car compared to the fastest fto in ireland measured .

[CJ]

Theres a couple of 6A13TT FTO conversions going on around the place, I would be very interested to see where 280ps, 271 ftlbs of torque, launch control and a light chassis will get you up the track.

I for one await Dans results in anticipation...

CJ

[d_dan]

Im trying to find some 6a12 conversions over in the uk that may be intrested in attending santapod next year, but havnt majourly looked into it.

Im not doing this to be better than anyone but to see what can be done to the 6a12

[Dragonheart]

Interesting as well to see how Dan's turbo conversion weighs up against replacing the engine with a 2.5L lump, like ftorex is doing. See which is the more costly and which has the more gains, so in effect which is the easiest and best to do.

[Bernard]

I can't help but think an engine swap would be safer and easier.

Rory has that VR4 if you're feeling brave Marty

[CJ]

I can't help but think an engine swap would be safer and easier.

I agree. On the flip side, the 6A13TT is heavier than the 6A12 i.e. handling characteristics altered.

CJ

[Bernard]

Is there much weight in the difference?

[CJ]

Is there much weight in the difference?

I don't know but I'd be interested to hear the answer. Its not beyond the realm of possibility that the 6A13TT is 25% heavier considering that displacement is 25% more, you've also got an IC, solenoids, an IC, IC piping and other such business but thats neagated by the addition of a turbo to the 6A12.

That said, you could save 40kg by rupping out the a/c prior to a 6A13TT transplant. we really need FTOREX et al in this discussion, not to mention a topic split.....

CJ

Edit - topic split

[d_dan]

I got onto RB to se would he do me a 6a13 conversion before i got my turbo and he didnt want to as he said there were a number of problems he had with the ones he has done,
Overheating he said was a big problem.

Of course the 6a13 will put out more power its a bigger block and has 2 turbo's.
The main things I wanted from my car was to keep the MIVEC

[CJ]

Overheating he said was a big problem.

Assuming you can put adequate venting in place, you should be OK in this regard. The VR4 has very little in the way of venting (aside from the FMIC) and is not known to overheat as a rule.

CJ

[ftorex]

I can see where overheating would be a probelm with the 6A13tt conversion as the turbo's run very close to both the firewall and the radiator..
I was originally going to keep the A/C but after seeing that (we dont get any sunshine anyway ) it takes up alot of room and the aircon rad would sit between the I/C and radiator robbing the radiator of much needed cold air i decided to rip it out..
I can move the radiator forward now using a thicker aluminium one and slimmer fans..Vented bonnet as well...

As for the difference in weight between the 6A12 and 6A13tt i cant see there being much in it...Must try get the two engine blocks weighed at sum stage..

[CJ]

Fiachra, hows your own 6A13TT conversion coming along? Have you test driven it yet?

CJ

[RichardB]

the block on the vr4 is 1cm taller than the fto, but contrarty to what somone said on here large displacement means less metal in the cylinders. The only additional weight is the turbos, intercooler, pipework etc.. which is more than off set by moving your battery to the boot.

[d_dan]

great first post rich

[Myfeckin FTO]

the block on the vr4 is 1cm taller than the fto, but contrarty to what somone said on here large displacement means less metal in the cylinders. The only additional weight is the turbos, intercooler, pipework etc.. which is more than off set by moving your battery to the boot.

Wecome along RB - you still got your FTO? (Last I saw it was for sale).

[ftorex]

Fiachra, hows your own 6A13TT conversion coming along? Have you test driven it yet?

CJ

I wish...Havent had a chance to go near it in ages been too busy with work and other peoples cars....

[CJ]

contrarty to what somone said on here large displacement means less metal in the cylinders

That would be me then!

The Galant is without doubt a heavier car than the FTO and you can feel it up front - thats not to say that its all engine an ancillaries however.

Welcome along to the forum by the way Rich, I've been following your progress throughout the years back as far as the Smartgroups FTO list. I'd also be interested to know if you've managed to sell on the fastest FTO in the UK...

CJ

[CJ]

Pic pulled off the Club-VR4 forum, 6A13TT doesn't look a whole lot tighter than the 6A12 although as was mentioned, the rear turbo is very close to the bukhead i.e. cooling issues. I imagine a vented bonnet (or a few washers under the bonnet hinge bolts for a cheap fix) would be a serious requirement.



CJ

[Muad_dib77]

Just wanted to show yous all this..

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/MITSUBISHI-LEGNUM ... 240%3A1318

as I still dont have my car it's not a road I can travel myself..but it's defo on the wish list...has been for a while..

[fatboyfat7]

Just saw the user name is Jap Parts and they're based in Birmingham... Lads dont go near them. This is the crowd I ordered my manual box from when doing the conversion. The standard of service has awful, constantly getting the run around. They rarely answered the phone and could never give a straight answer. They had told me at least half a dozen times the box had been shipped out and it wasn't. It got so bad i was convinced i was after being scammed. I paid in advance obviously and they said my credit card wasn't working (?) and they needed me to transfer the money instead. At the time they were the only place I could find a box at reasonable money so i had no choice .I was about 5/6 weeks waiting for box. When it did arrive it still have all fluids in it (very messy) and was missing a crucial part. (ref Steelroe, cant remember what it was exactely but it was a main part) When I got onto the about the part i had MORE HASSLE. They said they didnt supply it with the box! I kicked off anyway and he said he'd look for it and get back onto me. No word. I constantly rung him for a week getting no answer and when i did get through he told me the scrapyard had closed for religious holidays! I ended up having to order the part from rice rocket because there was no sign of ever seeing the part. It was a complete joke. BEWARE! (rant over )

[fatboyfat7]

You know that previous post doesnt even capture how bad the are.... Words just cant explain it. Im furious even sitting here thinking back on it. I hate them...

[steelroe]

Hoping to start a transplant myslef next month. Engine sorted. Need to look into suspension, brakes and some sort of launch control asap.

[d_dan]

Looked into launch control pricey pricey

[steelroe]

worth it I would think.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Racelogic-Launch-an ... .m63.l1177

Not worth the risk without it. anyone know any alternative to racelogic.

Also you would need speed sensors as from memory you FTO does not have ABS.

I missed out on a racelogic on ebay recently, went for a song