FTO Tip 0-200kmh

[Myfeckin FTO]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8NpGj2kv3Y&search=fto

It kinda proves the strong top end that the FTO has - even on the 4 speed tip.

[soc]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8NpGj2kv3Y&search=fto

It kinda proves the strong top end that the FTO has - even on the 4 speed tip.

That's impressive - just passed russman in his vR - always reminds me how cool the fto looks on the move...

[cpoh]

I can do that....only quicker....

So can I and im in a honda crx

The time it takes to get to 100km/h is very disappointing especially the pull in second gear, it pulls a little better from 100-130 but after that runs out of puff again. Overall a little dissapointing performance wise, are the manuals much quicker?

[Kace]

Overall a little dissapointing performance wise, are the
manuals much quicker?

Dunno - will get out the video camera this evening on Stillorgan dual carriageway

[Myfeckin FTO]

I can do that....only quicker....

So can I and im in a honda crx

The time it takes to get to 100km/h is very disappointing especially the pull in second gear, it pulls a little better from 100-130 but after that runs out of puff again. Overall a little dissapointing performance wise, are the manuals much quicker?

A honda CRX is def not quicker than that -when you take the top end into account.
My Manual GPX has a 0-60 of 6.48 secs so it'd be quicker than that alright - but the reason I showed this video is to demonstrate the top end of the FTO rather than the 0-60 time.

[cpoh]

A honda CRX is def not quicker than that -when you take the top end into account.

Ignorance is bliss! When my car WAS standard it did a 0-60 (using my apexi) of 6.52 seconds. Up to 80 miles an hour the crx would leave that automatic car for dead. When you say top end do you mean say 100-120mph? No offence but im not personally bothered by that kind of thing. The problem with that video is that the car really bogs in second and third gears.

[Myfeckin FTO]

A honda CRX is def not quicker than that -when you take the top end into account.

Ignorance is bliss! When my car WAS standard it did a 0-60 (using my apexi) of 6.52 seconds. Up to 80 miles an hour the crx would leave that automatic car for dead. When you say top end do you mean say 100-120mph? No offence but im not personally bothered by that kind of thing. The problem with that video is that the car really bogs in second and third gears.

Ignorance is bliss indeed - anyone that takes an apexi readout as gospel is living in dreamland - they are well known for their inacurate readings - get yourself to a 1/4 mile and prove the point - untill then I hope you won't mind if I take your figures with a pinch of salt.

Not bothered by top end? This is probably the most realistic assessment of a cars performance - there are plenty of cars that can do 0-60 in 6.5 - 8secs (hot hatches etc) - there are few that can do a 0-100 in 15-16 secs (FTO GPX).

You are correct about the tip "boging" in the gears untill it reaches back into high revs - one of the reasons I drive a manual GPX as it is better at staying in the mivec zone.

Yes - I have driven a CRX - I think they're great cars - I've said it loads of times before on this forum but the last CRX I saw at a 1/4 mile (despite mods) didn't come within an asses roar of my Manual GPX.

[cpoh]

I dont think anyone is saying that the crx is faster than a 2L mivec fto with manual transmission on a quarter mile strip. It is after all a 2L car against a 1.6L car and up about 30+ bhp in power. The automatic judging by the video clip shown would be a different matter in my opinion.

I would have to take exception with your top end comment, when people talk about top end theyre talking about the cars pulling power above the 100mph mark, on real performance cars (the honda and mitsubishi are neither) were talking about 120-150mph. When you consider that the fto has an official quarter mile time of close to 15 seconds (half a second slower than its true honda rival the teg) and the crx is only half a second slower than the fto are the cars really in different leagues considering your criteria for "top end power" and as a judgement for "true performance"?

So as the topic says sure a manual mivec is the daddy but all other models even the auto mivec arent the dogs some people make out. Still a fine car though.

[Muad_dib77]

I think that's alright...remember we're talking about a 4 speed automatic gear box here...

I'd be fairly chuffed with that... certainly many other cars in the same pricebracket as the FTO Auto that doesn't come NEAR that performance...

[Myfeckin FTO]

.....When you consider that the fto has an official quarter mile time of close to 15 seconds (half a second slower than its true honda rival the teg) and the crx is only half a second slower than the fto are the cars really in different leagues considering your criteria for "top end power" and as a judgement for "true performance"?.......

The FTO GPX Manual and the TEG would be neck and neck in a 1/4 mile sprint - there was just .2 sec separating 3 of us at last 1/4 mile after 10 + runs. The main reason the Teg is so quick on the 1/4 mile is gear ratios and the fact they run 15 inch alloys - they are pretty much flat in 4th while the GPX is still in 3rd at the end of the 1/4 mile.

You're right though - neither FTO or CRX (or TEG IMO) are true high performance cars - but for anyone with a budget of circa 10K and not wanting high running costs the FTO is very difficult to beat.

[CJ]

but for anyone with a budget of circa 10K and not wanting high running costs the FTO is very difficult to beat.

Couldn't agree more with this statement, I'd add that reliability to the list while you're at it.

FWIW, A CRX afficiondo aquaintence of mine who owns two himself quotes the Si (non-VTEC) @ 7.6sec and the SiR (VTEC) @ 7.2s, standard spec I might add....

CJ

[crx92ie]

Acquaintence? I thought we were friends!!

Mind you, if you keep quoting our off-the-record chats, I may have to re-consider.

[cpoh]

The FTO GPX Manual and the TEG would be neck and neck in a 1/4 mile sprint - there was just .2 sec separating 3 of us at last 1/4 mile after 10 + runs. The main reason the Teg is so quick on the 1/4 mile is gear ratios and the fact they run 15 inch alloys - they are pretty much flat in 4th while the GPX is still in 3rd at the end of the 1/4 mile.

You're right though - neither FTO or CRX (or TEG IMO) are true high performance cars - but for anyone with a budget of circa 10K and not wanting high running costs the FTO is very difficult to beat.

Im not trying to be argumentative and make this a honda versus mitsubishi thing (I was originally interested in getting an fto), but ive never seen or heard of a stock fto beating an ITR on a drag strip in the uk or over hear, I always assumed that it was widely held that the teg is the much superior car performance and especially handling wise and that the only reason people would plump for the fto over it is because it looks much nicer than it (an undisputed fact). In fact all stock figures have the fto at a half a second slower than the teg in quarter miles, im sure your fto is far from stock however.

On the performance note, after having a friends evo 9 fq320 in my drive for the week while he was away on holiday made me re evaluate the term performance. faster to 100 than most cars are to 60

[soc]

Ahhh, the good auld this car is faster/better than that car argument

Personally I prefer to judge a cars performance based on it's real world driving characteristics - my old tip always felt pretty nippy but sometimes it used to annoy me that you had to rev it to get the best performance, although the accompanying noise was rather pleasant That's one reason why I went with the GTI at the time although I'm pretty bored by it's performance now.... what you really need is a chipped TT or a chipped Mk5.

<shane runs to hide from MfFTO's impending ridicule>

[CJ]

I always assumed that it was widely held that the teg is the much superior car performance and especially handling wise

I wouldn't say its a widely held belief among most Jap car fans, the FTO and ITR are very closely matched in terms of performance, handling on both cars is excellent, again, I don't believe theres anything in it on that front. Over to you MfFTO

CJ

[Myfeckin FTO]

I always assumed that it was widely held that the teg is the much superior car performance and especially handling wise

I wouldn't say its a widely held belief among most Jap car fans, the FTO and ITR are very closely matched in terms of performance, handling on both cars is excellent, again, I don't believe theres anything in it on that front. Over to you MfFTO

CJ

Hmm - Well my mechanic who services my FTO has said that my car has better performance and handling than his 98 teg type R - I'd say thats probably because of the performance and suspension mods - in reality I would say its very close - one of the best FWD cars for handling was actually the Racing Puma (widely acclaimed at the time for having better handling than an ITR) - I (& JayVR) ran one each for a couple of years and it wouldn't live with a properly sorted manual mivec.



As said before there was nothing between the type R Tegs in a straight line at the last 1/4 mile - both were modded. CPOH - have you ever driven a manual mivec?