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Drop in GBP and the great Irish rip off is in your face

PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 2:38 pm
by soc
I need 4 new tyres so I rang around for some quotes yesterday. Best price was 170 euro a corner fitted for 4 Goodyear Eagle F1 GSD 3s in 225x40 18's.

I then had a look on eiretyres and was looking at the Eagle F1 Assymetricals for 149 euro each delivered. Not too much in the difference given I'd have to pay for fitting.

So I checked Camskill - :shock: I have 4 Goodyear Eagle F1 assymetricals on their way over as we speak @ £97 each + £23 delivery for a grand total of 423 euro!

So by ordering from the UK I've saved over 200 euro on Irish prices and 175 euro on eiretyres - :shock: :shock: :evil: :evil:

PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 4:30 pm
by Bernard
And that's including Camskill's price increase, delivery used to be £9.
Also I paid £118 per tyre (235/40/17) whereas they're now £122.40

Rip of republic is right.

PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 9:07 pm
by Mustang
Good saving SOC, despite the name I believe Eiretyres are a German company. I ordered two tyres from camskill about 6 weeks ago, delivery was £3 per tyre. Unless the tyres are made in the UK it's resonable to assume that camskill are gonna have to start raising prices to compensate for their increased buying costs-would still be a much cheaper option than buying locally though.

PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 9:09 pm
by Sebastian
you really have to shop around these days. good info there taking in consideration i have to buy tyres as well very soon !


is the delivery time on tyres the same as on the parts ? 1-2 days ?

PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 9:39 pm
by Kace
Mustang wrote:Good saving SOC, despite the name I believe Eiretyres are a German company. I ordered two tyres from camskill about 6 weeks ago, delivery was £3 per tyre. Unless the tyres are made in the UK it's resonable to assume that camskill are gonna have to start raising prices to compensate for their increased buying costs-would still be a much cheaper option than buying locally though.


What I find unbelievable is that Camskill can deliver a tyre for £3 and they charge about £7 to deliver some small parts that weigh a fraction of the amount :?

PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 10:16 pm
by Mustang
Kace wrote:
Mustang wrote:Good saving SOC, despite the name I believe Eiretyres are a German company. I ordered two tyres from camskill about 6 weeks ago, delivery was £3 per tyre. Unless the tyres are made in the UK it's resonable to assume that camskill are gonna have to start raising prices to compensate for their increased buying costs-would still be a much cheaper option than buying locally though.


What I find unbelievable is that Camskill can deliver a tyre for £3 and they charge about £7 to deliver some small parts that weigh a fraction of the amount :?

Fair point. I can only imagine that they've struck a deal with a distribution company and gotten a volume discount, and are part subsidising the cost themselves. They effectively deal with relatively niche markets when it comes to parts, whereas the tyres have a much broader potential audience. The business would never take off if delivery was prohibitively expensive. Ever try to arrange courier pick up of an item in the UK? It's a complete nightmare, and those that will quote are extortionists!

In times when people are becoming more price sensitive and willing to make a little extra effort to save money, the likes of camskill with honest pricing, and fast effecient service should thrive.

The likes of the tyre fitters who black ball the fitting of 'internet tyres' should soon start to change their tune once they see their revenues fall.

PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 11:38 pm
by soc
Kace wrote:
What I find unbelievable is that Camskill can deliver a tyre for £3 and they charge about £7 to deliver some small parts that weigh a fraction of the amount :?


I paid 23 for delivery. I guess the price is gone up.

If sterling says on par with euro it won't be long before UK prices rise accordingly.

PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 11:40 pm
by soc
Sebastian wrote:you really have to shop around these days. good info there taking in consideration i have to buy tyres as well very soon !


is the delivery time on tyres the same as on the parts ? 1-2 days ?


Delivery should be the same - I'm expecting mine to arrive on Friday.

I wonder will we see a reduction in prices in Ireland now?

PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 11:47 pm
by Kace
Who will you get to fit them then - is there still a problem getting most tyre garages to fit tyres that they did not sell ?

PostPosted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 12:32 pm
by Mustang
Kace wrote:Who will you get to fit them then - is there still a problem getting most tyre garages to fit tyres that they did not sell ?

Eiretyres have an, albeit small, list of 'afilliated fitters' on their website.

What I can't understand is fitters reluctance to carry out this work. Ok they forgo their excessive margin on the tyre itself. But on the plus side, they don't have to stock the item, they don't have to warrant the tyre as they did not supply it. It's a quick in quick out cash sale. I paid €15.5 per corner for fitting including disposal of old tyres. For 4 tyres that would be €62, It would take well under a hour to fit 4 tyres, say 40mins. That would bring the hourly labour rate to ~€90 Nice money if you can get it.
Plus if you have 4 tyres fitted you're gonna get the car tracked -more money for them -assuming they offer the service.

PostPosted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 1:32 pm
by soc
Kace wrote:Who will you get to fit them then - is there still a problem getting most tyre garages to fit tyres that they did not sell ?


Dave McCann said he'd fit them no problems. Also there's a small place out in Clontarf (along the coast road) which would fit them too.

If I haven't had a 4 wheel alignment done by the time my 18's are refurbed I'll go to Dave's and get both done - if I have then I'll go to clontarf.

PostPosted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 2:17 pm
by CJ
soc wrote:Dave McCann said he'd fit them no problems


He's obviously changed his tune, I arrived up to his premises a few years back with a set of tyres, his response was 'You wouldn't bring food to a restaurant, would ya?'.

It would be worth pricing tyres online and asking your local fitter if they would be willing to match the price, if not ask will they fit customer supplied tyres. Some will, some won't.

CJ

PostPosted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 4:39 pm
by Mustang
CJ wrote:
soc wrote:Dave McCann said he'd fit them no problems


He's obviously changed his tune, I arrived up to his premises a few years back with a set of tyres, his response was 'You wouldn't bring food to a restaurant, would ya?'.

It would be worth pricing tyres online and asking your local fitter if they would be willing to match the price, if not ask will they fit customer supplied tyres. Some will, some won't.

CJ

I'd say Dave McCann has taken a dose of reality -some business is better than none. Like I say I could not understand the mentality of not fitting tyres for people

In fairness to these guys I'd say they'd be hard pressed to match the price, I'd say in most cases you have an Irish distributer, taking a cut, add to that, rates, wages, PRSI contribution, light heat rent, insurance, Irish VAT rates, plus some profit for themselves.

I had a long chat about it with the guy I had fitting my tyres (sound chap and very open about it all) and he said that he simply could not match the like of eiretyres. especially on premium and or large size tyres 18"+ etc, part of the reason is just an economy of scale, the volume of 18" + tyres sold here is very small => the price goes up. In the likes of Germany these types of tyres are much more widespread, and locally manufactured in some cases, driving the price down.

I told him I was previously told by a garage that they couldn't fit tyres for me because of insurance reasons. His reply was "thats BS". Reassuring to hear this from someone in the trade.


I assume the likes of eiretyres/camskill buy direct from the manufacturers, and basically run a warehouse/distribution type business, with smaller overheads.

Basically it's a case of the more you spend the more you save. If you are buying as set of budget 14" tyres for your fiesta, then there's probably no saving by buying online once you've factored in shipping and fitting locally.

PostPosted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 6:13 pm
by Muad_dib77
I live fairly close to the North (it's quicker to hit Newry than Dublin from here, and takes about the same time to get to Belfast)..and I can tell you that it's not just tires that are cheaper up there..

Wine & Drink in particular is something I've taken great advantage off over the xmas period.. bottles that are 15e+ on our side of the border are the equivalent of 8-10e up there.

picked up a ps3 for a colleague up there also.. price here at the time was 400e - even though I paid using my laser and therefore prolly didnt get the best exchange rate the console AND 2 games still only came to 360e.

its nuts..

speaking of which..got a kilo of peanuts for 3gbp as well.. yum!

PostPosted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 9:16 pm
by Dragonheart
Picked up a PS3 from england for €275 with 2 controllers and 2 games, over here the best is €399. Some joke.

PostPosted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 12:15 am
by Muad_dib77
I dont fully understand how the government expects to make more money by upping the VAT.. surely in order to stay in business Irish Sellers must lower prices (in order to retain atleast some form of business..) this in turn means that the amount on which the VAT is calculated becomes smaller..and such it ends up making no difference what the VAT % is..

Drastic change is needed .. that last budget will have no positive effect what so ever.. none.