97 RON a dying breed?

[CJ]

Is it just me or has 97 RON started disappearing from the forecourts? The usual suspects (Texaco\Esso) seem to be replacing their SUL pumps with UL.
Anyone any inside info perhaps?

EDIT: I actually stopped using SUL some time ago due to cost and lack of local suppliers, I'm just curious is all

CJ

[soc]

Is it just me or has 97 RON started disappearing from the forecourts? The usual suspects (Texaco\Esso) seem to be replacing their SUL pumps with UL.
Anyone any inside info perhaps?

EDIT: I actually stopped using SUL some time ago due to cost and lack of local suppliers, I'm just curious is all

CJ

AFAIK everywhere is phasing out SUL. I haven't seen it around much for a long while now. FWIW I'm getting my petrol from tesco in dundrum. Tesco ireland use the same petrol as statoil (apparently) and it's only 96c a litre or 91c a litre if you shop in tesco's and get a voucher

[Mustang]

Theres a thread on octane about this very topic
http://www.octane.ie/cult/forum/showthr ... #post26554

There are only two Texaco garages in Limerick selling it (thanks for the info MfFTO ). The three weeks running I called into the same garage.
First week they had 98 octane, the two following weeks they were out.
At that stage the other garge in Limerick still had the 97 octane. This is only in the last month or so. Maybe it is on the way out?

[Myfeckin FTO]

There have been rumors around of Petrol companies pulling out the Super Unleaded stock because of the high price of tax on the fuel in Ireland - the fact that there is a higher tax on Super Unleaded than normal unleaded (ridiculous given the fact this has little to do with emissions) means that the sale of super unleaded has been affected to the point where people will not pay the difference for it.

I have noticed that Unleaded typically sells for 98-100cent a litre at the moment where Super Unleaded in the same outlet sells for 128-130cent - with the vast majority of the difference taken up with tax.

[Mustang]

I have noticed that Unleaded typically sells for 98-100cent a litre at the moment where Super Unleaded in the same outlet sells for 128-130cent - with the vast majority of the difference taken up with tax

I always thought the price of the super unleaded here was a scam. Driving in France last summer the price differential between reg and super was only a few cent. It was not until I read the above quote on octane that I realised there was an extra tax on it. As if the government wasn't getting a big enough slice of the pie already

[Speedyboy]

I thought there was only 6cent levy on the sul which is a relatively small part of the often 30c difference

[Myfeckin FTO]

I thought there was only 6cent levy on the sul which is a relatively small part of the often 30c difference

I don't know the exact figure - Can anyone shed some light on this?

Because exise duty is set at a fixed rate per litre and VAT is added on top of this - the price that is tax alters as the pump price increases.

If your litre of unleaded sells for 100cent then the cost of the petrol is 37.9 cent or % - exise is 44.3 cent or % and VAT is 17.4 cent or %.
A total Irish Gov tax take of 62 cent or % on a litre of 95 unleaded at 100cent. This total tax take rises as the price of petrol rises so the tax take on superunleaded is probably closer to 70% given the increased levy.

[Dean]

I havent been able to find Super UL in Limerick for the past week.
They are all out, and they have put out of order signs on the pumps.

[soc]

I havent been able to find Super UL in Limerick for the past week.
They are all out, and they have put out of order signs on the pumps.

I tried using shell v-power tonight cause I was on empty and shell garage was the nearest - I could swear the car felt a bit more responsive but that could also be because I topped up the air in the rear tyres (from 21psi to 29psi )

[kevinod]

I've been using Shell V-power myself, I've had conflicting reports on whether its 98 RON, but I think there is a little improvement in performance... that said I could be imagining it though!

[AL]

shell V power AFAIK is only 95 octane, but it contains special cleaning agents

[soc]

shell V power AFAIK is only 95 octane, but it contains special cleaning agents

yea, that's what I thought - dunno if the "cleaning agents" would make a noticeable difference or not ?

[CJ]

yea, that's what I thought - dunno if the "cleaning agents" would make a noticeable difference or not ?

V-power is 95 alright. If you use it regularly, consider it the same as always having some injector cleaner in your tank.

CJ

[soc]

yea, that's what I thought - dunno if the "cleaning agents" would make a noticeable difference or not ?

V-power is 95 alright. If you use it regularly, consider it the same as always having some injector cleaner in your tank.

CJ

Expensive stuff for 95ron - 103c a litre. Not that bad when compared to average price of 98/99c a litre for normal unleaded but when you can get a litre of unleaded from tesco for 91c .......

[kevinod]

Expensive stuff for 95ron - 103c a litre. Not that bad when compared to average price of 98/99c a litre for normal unleaded but when you can get a litre of unleaded from tesco for 91c .......

True, but there's no Tesco petrol outlets down here in the deep south... plus I just have a distrust of petrol when it gets too cheap. Some of the cheaper petrol is the same as the dearer stuff except without any of the additives that do the nice stuff, so while you're paying less you are actually loosing out on quality as well.

Kev.

[Mustang]

Kev wrote

plus I just have a distrust of petrol when it gets too cheap.

You should drop into Irish refining for your top ups. If you can't trust your local oil refinery, who can you trust

[kevinod]

Kev wrote

plus I just have a distrust of petrol when it gets too cheap.

You should drop into Irish refining for your top ups. If you can't trust your local oil refinery, who can you trust

heh, prob true, but only the best for my FTO!

[soc]

Kev wrote

plus I just have a distrust of petrol when it gets too cheap.

You should drop into Irish refining for your top ups. If you can't trust your local oil refinery, who can you trust

heh, prob true, but only the best for my FTO!

Apparently Tesco petrol is the same as Statoil petrol although obviously I can't confirm that.

[Mustang]

Shane wrote

Apparently Tesco petrol is the same as Statoil petrol although obviously I can't confirm that.

Quite possibly so. Most of the petrol comes from a central source anyway, most of the perceived differences are to do with marketing/branding.

[kevinod]

Shane wrote

Apparently Tesco petrol is the same as Statoil petrol although obviously I can't confirm that.

Quite possibly so. Most of the petrol comes from a central source anyway, most of the perceived differences are to do with marketing/branding.

Would be very cool if some of the stuff shell is doing Ferrari in F1 comes into the market, supposed to be lighter than the other stuff, or at least thats what their technical briefing stuff says anyway...