Upgraded to a FULL "arc intake" today

[d_dan]

Fitted the "arc" airbox to the car today as it arrived in the post,
weird design but the more i look at it the better it looks and the more i can justify the design.

looks great on the car (pics to follow)

2nd cars now even louder, (the likes of dane, colm, seb & sterole know what i mean)

you can feel more ponies hehehe

with a new clutch on the way and a Fedanza, flywheel im gonna be well set for the 1/4 mile this year. (if it all gets fitted on time) [/list]

[colm_mcm]

Looks like the pressure is on for the 1/4 mile. must get some go faster stripes!




I fitted my arc intake chamber on Sunday, can't say it makes any difference.
It does look rather cool though.


it's combined with a D'Cuatro filter and standard airbox. was thinking of going for an induction system, but am skeptical about the gains i'd get from one over the performance filter.

need to relocate the battery clamp

[Kace]

Looks like the pressure is on for the 1/4 mile. must get some go faster stripes!

was thinking of going for an induction system, but am skeptical about the gains i'd get from one over the performance filter.

need to relocate the battery clamp

The very noticeable thing about changing for a performance filter is the Mivec roar - it's barely audible with the standard filter but with a performance filter it kicks in with an infectious ROOOOAAARRR

Get a spin in someone else's and you'll see what I mean. It's chalk and cheese we're talking here.

[colm_mcm]

The very noticeable thing about changing for a performance filter is the Mivec roar - it's barely audible with the standard filter but with a performance filter it kicks in with an infectious ROOOOAAARRR

Get a spin in someone else's and you'll see what I mean. It's chalk and cheese we're talking here.

I had an Apexi induction on the blue MIVEC, so I know what they sound like. I am of the opinion that an induction kit should do more than just make noise. The car is pretty loud with the Blueflames as it is.

[d_dan]

need to relocate the battery clamp

yea do theres terrable marks in mine from mine!

also when you go for a drive (longish) pop the bonnet and tell em does your chamber get rather hot from the rad pipes

[colm_mcm]

also when you go for a drive (longish) pop the bonnet and tell em does your chamber get rather hot from the rad pipes

They're very close to them alright. I'd say with the standard (tiny) battery, it wouldn't be as much of a problem.

[d_dan]

im looking to fabricate some sort of plastic/ aluminium devider for the two

[colm_mcm]

Can't see alumninium being much good, some sort of insulation would probably be best. you got any pics yet?

[d_dan]

yea not great quality but uploading them now

[Myfeckin FTO]

im looking to fabricate some sort of plastic/ aluminium devider for the two

Why bother? Just add some stickybacked foam (of the type found in most hardware stores for insulation) in between the two rubbing points.

[d_dan]

thats a good idea might do that

[Kace]

The very noticeable thing about changing for a performance filter is the Mivec roar - it's barely audible with the standard filter but with a performance filter it kicks in with an infectious ROOOOAAARRR

Get a spin in someone else's and you'll see what I mean. It's chalk and cheese we're talking here.

I had an Apexi induction on the blue MIVEC, so I know what they sound like. I am of the opinion that an induction kit should do more than just make noise. The car is pretty loud with the Blueflames as it is.

Yes - it 'should' do more than make noise, however the reality is with the highly tuned 24V that you're not going to get anything noticeable out of a performance filter.

We even did a test at the rolling road one year, 'before' with standard and 'after' with ITG performance. There wasn't a d1ckybird of a difference with the performance filter. In fact, I seem to remember that the BHP was actually a little less with the performance filter - can't fully remember the result.

Daz - where are you !!!

[Bernard]

I think you need to combine a CAI with the induction kit to see any benefit.

[colm_mcm]

A dyno where the bonnet is open and a fan is blowing air into the engine bay gives an induction kit an advantage that I don't think it has on the road.

[Muad_dib77]

in my mind the real test of car and driver can only take place on a track.. NOI but you can have all the horses and torques you want, if you can't translate it into motion they dont mean anything at all.

/2cents spent

[Myfeckin FTO]

A dyno where the bonnet is open and a fan is blowing air into the engine bay gives an induction kit an advantage that I don't think it has on the road.

Not really Colm - in my experience the rolling road fans don't provide anything like as much air as would otherwise reach the intake at speed - particularly with a CAI.

FWIW - I had 1bhp more with the ITG (& bonnet closed) than when I then swopped out to the OE induction on the same rolling road. Have a feeling the ITG would have performed better on the open road.

[colm_mcm]

I'm just going to improve on the cold air ducting to the standard airbox, and fit decat.

[Myfeckin FTO]

I'm just going to improve on the cold air ducting to the standard airbox, and fit decat.

You're not gonna loose out by using your standard airbox - esp if you fit a good quality panel filter (HKS, K&N etc) in there and the decat will give you better gains.

I have a spare OE FTO induction lying around if you feel like a little experiment.
Drill some holes in the top of the standard airbox and combine with a panel filter and CAI to the top of the airbox. Would be interesting to see if there were any differences on a rolling road.

[CJ]

I'm just going to improve on the cold air ducting to the standard airbox, and fit decat.

This is what I'd do, just like the forum search facility, Wavin is your friend:

http://www.ftowa.com/html/workshop/workshopart10.html

Induction noise is going to be the only significant 'benefit' you'll get with an open air induction kit, chances are you'll loose power over the stock setup (we've seen it a few times in the past). Both ARC and CDA make enclosed induction boxes but frankly, you would be better off leaving the standard airbox in place with a free flowing panel filter and fit revised ducting as per the FTOWA test. Even then, gains are minimal (despite what you read in the reviews).

CJ

[colm_mcm]

I have a spare OE FTO induction lying around if you feel like a little experiment.
Drill some holes in the top of the standard airbox and combine with a panel filter and CAI to the top of the airbox.

Won't this just suck unfiltered air into the engine?

[Myfeckin FTO]

I have a spare OE FTO induction lying around if you feel like a little experiment.
Drill some holes in the top of the standard airbox and combine with a panel filter and CAI to the top of the airbox.

Won't this just suck unfiltered air into the engine?

Nope - The holes would be drilled on the intake side of the OE unit before the panel filter has to do its job - Its been done before with varying degrees of success depending upon the availability of cold air to the filter.

[colm_mcm]

ah, so you mean drill holes in the BOTTOM of the airbox. good idea. was thinking of running 2 or 3 seperate cold air pipes into the airbox. just need to figure where I can get the feeds. one option would be to sacrifice my front fogs and run an intake from there.

[Myfeckin FTO]

.......... one option would be to sacrifice my front fogs and run an intake from there.

No need - Set up a universal intake in the front grill and pipe air from there - I've seen a couple of these on FTOs and IMO they look well.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/COLD-AIR-FEED-FOR ... .m14.l1318

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Powertec-Cold-Air ... .m14.l1318

[colm_mcm]

Is there enough room in the grille? haven't got the FTO home with me this evening.

This is the next job to do.

[Myfeckin FTO]

Is there enough room in the grille? haven't got the FTO home with me this evening.

Well - I've seen it done in a couple of classic (& facelift) FTO's so I'd presume there is. (Haven't got my FTO with me this evening either )